"Florida Man" is still at it

[Essence Lumin]

Property law is a pretty settled field. If the street is city property, they should maintain it. Some larger streets and roads belong to the county or state, and it becomes their responsibility.

The article says it is a "private" road which apparently there are a lot of down there. That doesn't exist up here unless it is a closed complex or something.

 

[WolfEyes]

The article says it is a "private" road which apparently there are a lot of down there. That doesn't exist up here unless it is a closed complex or something.

Private road is another name for a long driveway in the south.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Sometimes an HOA might own the streets in its neighborhood.

 

[Free]

Florida man tased for twerking during rainy traffic stop

As recent news out of the Orange County Sheriff's Office will tell you, the law doesn't look too kindly on dance moves. A Florida man...

www.orlandoweekly.com

 

[Essence Lumin]

Florida man tased for twerking during rainy traffic stop

As recent news out of the Orange County Sheriff's Office will tell you, the law doesn't look too kindly on dance moves. A Florida man...

www.orlandoweekly.com

Oh, cmon. Rumpofsteelskin?

Oh, it's a joke and a Parliament song.

Unfortunately for Wolfe, ignorance of the booty and knowing when you're shaking it is no excuse (as established in Rumpofsteelskin v. US).

 

[Romana]

Florida Man has a convenient forgettery.

 

[Romana]

 

[WolfEyes]

Sometimes an HOA might own the streets in its neighborhood.

HOAs buy streets from the city that owns them? Since when?

Driveways in the south can be very long.

Our driveway at Hineston is about a half mile long from the highway to the house.

 

[Free]

HOAs buy streets from the city that owns them? Since when?

Gated communities tend to be built on private roads.

 

[danielravennest]

The typical process with subdivision development is the developer buys a large piece of land, divides that up into building lots and streets, then deeds the streets to the city/county to maintain. The increased value of the lots from being "unimproved" to having paved roads and utilities more than covers the cost of paving the streets.

As Free mentioned, an exception to this is gated communities. In order to make the community more private and control visitors, the streets go to an owner's association rather than the local government. That results in higher association fees because now they have to maintain the street themselves.

 

[WolfEyes]

Gated communities tend to be built on private roads.

Ah. That's a little bit different. Gated communities. I wonder who pays for the maintenance and repairs, the city/taxpayers or the HOAs/gated community residents? If the cities are paying for it, the HOAs managed to pull a fast one.

ETA: And Daniel answered that question. So similar to living in a trailer park. Still sucks.

 

[Free]

ETA: And Daniel answered that question. So similar to living in a trailer park. Still sucks.

Even more than you know. HOA-run roads in a gated community are usually not bound to a lot of the regulations and requirements (things like width of roads, grade, sidewalks and curbs, etc.) of the town or city they're attached to. That's not to say driving on public roads is always a better deal...

 

[WolfEyes]

Even more than you know. HOA-run roads in a gated community are usually not bound to a lot of the regulations and requirements (things like width of roads, grade, sidewalks and curbs, etc.) of the town or city they're attached to. That's not to say driving on public roads is always a better deal...

Either way I don't really give a shit. I'd never live in place like that even if I could afford to. Bunch of rich snot nosed brats.

 

[Rose Karuna]

Either way I don't really give a shit. I'd never live in place like that even if I could afford to. Bunch of rich snot nosed brats.

Not to even mention all the high costs and incredible hassle of a Home Owners Association! The problem in Florida is that it's getting difficult to find places outside of them. Cities have encouraged developers to create communities with HOAs because it's [allegedly] much less expensive for the city. This is a picture not far from me of actual people who live in an HOA that are so sick of the bad road and pot holes they are fixing it themselves.


Lay people should not have to be out fixing the roads when they pay taxes to the city AND they pay HOA fees.The amount of graft and fraud associated with HOA's is staggering (at least in Florida it is).

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I've just checked what exactly HoAs are, and we don't have anything like them in England, at least, and I don't think in the rest of the UK either.

There's various forms of communal ownership and responsibility in particular circumstances (private retiree villages and the like), and alterations to the interior or exterior of the building may well be covered by all sorts of planning and development constraints (particularly in older buildings, and particular national parks and similar places, but nothing like HOAs.

What a strange form of property ownership.

 

[WolfEyes]

I've just checked what exactly HoAs are, and we don't have anything like them in England, at least, and I don't think in the rest of the UK either.

There's various forms of communal ownership and responsibility in particular circumstances (private retiree villages and the like), and alterations to the interior or exterior of the building may well be covered by all sorts of planning and development constraints (particularly in older buildings, and particular national parks and similar places, but nothing like HOAs.

What a strange form of property ownership.

The belief that one can actually possess/own a piece of the planet is strange. It doesn't mesh with reality.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The belief that one can actually possess/own a piece of the planet is strange. It doesn't mesh with reality.

Yes, but regardless of who determines it, doesn't there has to be some set of shared rules about what's communal space and how it's used and maintained, and by whom, and who gets to live where?

 

[Abigail Longmeadow]

My co-worker has a cabin in a remote forest in Michigan. The only access is by a "Forest Road" more than a mile long. This is a gravel road that essentially no one owns. It is on Forest Service land. Since no one maintains it, if it gets too rough to drive a truck on, the resident(s) have to do this: Pay the Forest Service for a permit to fix the road, then pay a road grader/gravel company $$$ to come and fix the road. They also need a different permit to cut down a big (standing) tree or remove a big boulder. I think he told me they couldn't get a permit to remove a big tree and so had to remove a big boulder and slightly re-route the road around the tree. The US Forest Service manages 193 million acres (780,000 km2) of land. Most Forest Services land is not "park" or "wilderness". It is land mostly used for timber harvesting, hunting, mining, grazing, and oil drilling (except not the designated "wilderness" areas). The permit process regulates the use of the land in a "balanced" manner, to preserve the wildlife while allowing limited resource extraction.

 

[WolfEyes]

Yes, but regardless of who determines it, doesn't there has to be some set of shared rules about what's communal space and how it's used and maintained, and by whom, and who gets to live where?

I fail to see the problem.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I fail to see the problem.

Yes, but my point is that there has to be a mechanism whereby it's agreed I get to live here, and you got to live here, and I get to plant my crops over someplace else and your goats go at the other end of the village, and so on.

It doesn't matter whether that's because the judge says so on the basis of a set of title deeds and tenancy agreements, or the local soviet says so, or the village council or tribal custom and practice or what.

In contemporary Western countries the rules are all predicated on the assumption the land must belong to someone, be it the community or public or private corporations and trusts, or individuals. There are other, and probably better, ways to organise it, but that's the one we've got right now.