SCOTUS set to overturn Roe and Casey

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Honestly, I wish more candidates would go back to running on what they are planning on doing in office, instead of mudslinging. Which is why I stopped voting for republicans before they pulled the shit they've been doing for the last 6-7 years.
 

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I saw this late last night and was amazed and happy, but the numbers were not out yet. 59-41 is pretty decisive. I think, in part, it is a backlash against the out and out cruelty we have seen since Roe was overturned. Republicans have been in a rush to see who could be the cruelest in making no exceptions, including defending the idea that a 10 yr old rape victim should be happy to give birth to her rapist's child, that even ectopic pregnancies should continue to the point of threatening a woman's life, that a woman's life has no value except in giving birth even if it kills her and making no pretense that birth control will be next on the chopping block and so on.

What I foresee happening next, though, is that they are not going to allow people to vote on it anymore. They were overconfident and felt that they had a slam dunk. I think they will next say, "You've made your wishes known by selecting your representative and therefore WE will make these decisions." This will be because gerrymandering gives them so much more control over it than allowing the public to decide.

Congratulations, Kansas! Good job!
 

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I saw this late last night and was amazed and happy, but the numbers were not out yet. 59-41 is pretty decisive. I think, in part, it is a backlash against the out and out cruelty we have seen since Roe was overturned. Republicans have been in a rush to see who could be the cruelest in making no exceptions, including defending the idea that a 10 yr old rape victim should be happy to give birth to her rapist's child, that even ectopic pregnancies should continue to the point of threatening a woman's life, that a woman's life has no value except in giving birth even if it kills her and making no pretense that birth control will be next on the chopping block and so on.

What I foresee happening next, though, is that they are not going to allow people to vote on it anymore. They were overconfident and felt that they had a slam dunk. I think they will next say, "You've made your wishes known by selecting your representative and therefore WE will make these decisions." This will be because gerrymandering gives them so much more control over it than allowing the public to decide.

Congratulations, Kansas! Good job!
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I saw this late last night and was amazed and happy, but the numbers were not out yet. 59-41 is pretty decisive. I think, in part, it is a backlash against the out and out cruelty we have seen since Roe was overturned. Republicans have been in a rush to see who could be the cruelest in making no exceptions, including defending the idea that a 10 yr old rape victim should be happy to give birth to her rapist's child, that even ectopic pregnancies should continue to the point of threatening a woman's life, that a woman's life has no value except in giving birth even if it kills her and making no pretense that birth control will be next on the chopping block and so on.

What I foresee happening next, though, is that they are not going to allow people to vote on it anymore. They were overconfident and felt that they had a slam dunk. I think they will next say, "You've made your wishes known by selecting your representative and therefore WE will make these decisions." This will be because gerrymandering gives them so much more control over it than allowing the public to decide.

Congratulations, Kansas! Good job!
In states with an Initiative and Referendum system, that would require the voters supporting a change to the state constitution.
 

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In states with an Initiative and Referendum system, that would require the voters supporting a change to the state constitution.
Yup, in Florida, to make amendments requires a ballot initiative, at least as far as I know.
 

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In states with an Initiative and Referendum system, that would require the voters supporting a change to the state constitution.
Then, they will do this:
South Dakota Supreme Court Says Referendum Can’t be Used to Block Measure Increasing Vote for Initiatives to 60% | Ballot Access News (ballot-access.org)

or, this:

South Dakota GOP Repeals Anti-Corruption Act Passed By Voters | HuffPost Latest News

We're talking about a party that will do anything and I mean anything to get its way. Either way, this is a great win for abortion rights in an unlikely state.
 
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That depends on the state constitution. In Ohio, for example, any law passed by initiative can be changed by the legislature. But an amendment to the State constitution can not be.

They can still do fuckery. For example the constitutional amendment in Florida a few years ago that allowed ex convicts to vote was watered down by the legislature when they wrote the law implementing the change to define completing their sentence to include payment of all fines and fees.
 

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That depends on the state constitution. In Ohio, for example, any law passed by initiative can be changed by the legislature. But an amendment to the State constitution can not be.

They can still do fuckery. For example the constitutional amendment in Florida a few years ago that allowed ex convicts to vote was watered down by the legislature when they wrote the law implementing the change to define completing their sentence to include payment of all fines and fees.
Yup, and they tried to do road blocks against Medical MJ too - and what we did get is... pricy and the Medical doc doesn't get why our apointments are every 7 months, for yearly cards [and if you don't go every 7 months, then you can't use your card]

But fixing that fuckery will be easier if we throw the assholes out [sadly, we don't have a dem running this time for our state house ;.;] than it is for them to overturn the amendment itself. And with the right court, it might be declared unconstitutional.
 

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The pro-lifers in Kansas are really fucking desperate!