Coup in the USA?

[Jolene Benoir]

People are saying in some places that this video shows the lynching death of officer Sicknick (who was probably a Trump supporter himself, not that that really matters, but you know, it's a bit ironic).

That says it is the cop that was killed? Is that true? Holy hell. OMG, it was. I didn't realize that was one and the same, that we were looking at a man being beaten to death.

 

[Pancake]

As much as these realizations are a bit laughable and don’t absolve anyone of their actions, I do hope we see more of them.
I do believe, need to believe, that some gullible supporters showed up without fully realizing that some would go so far. That some stayed outside, or left in horror and shame when they realized what was happening, and others got caught in mob mentality and only had the shocking realization when they saw themselves on TV.
Again, doesn’t absolve them, but far better than those doubling down by insisting they were right or threatening and plotting to do it again. It’s actually disheartening how few are coming forward.

 

[Sovereignty]

 

[Sovereignty]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Quite an interview

‘It Was No Accident’

Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal on surviving the siege.

www.thecut.com

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

That black officer is a damn hero. What I'm just now learning is that at the point in the video where he's chased up to a landing, you can see him glance to the left. That's direction of the door that leads to the Senate chamber. He deliberately turned right and up the stair to draw the crowd toward him and away from that door.

Did you notice in that video that when the terrorist was going to head toward some rooms at the top of the stairs, the cop gave him a little push which made the terrorist angry enough to follow him instead, right into the arms of more police and a lobby/rotunda type area.

That was some quick thinking in an extremely high stress situation.

ETA: Beebo and I both thought of at same time.

Yes! I read about that today too! We've all seen that the mob eventually got into the Senate chamber, but he no doubt bought them at least a little bit more time to evacuate.

What I've been seeing is, although there's absolutely still some serious questions that need to be answered by a select few Capitol officers, and OH BOY their administrative leadership, there were also a LOT of cops that absolutely deserve medals for what they did, and went through, that afternoon.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

That's the bit I don't get -- why are people in the American midwest, for example, so scared of socialists when they've probably never met one in their lives, and they tend to agree with socialist policies anyway, if they hear the policy described without being told whose it is?

It's ignorance, plain and simple. Most of these people have a high school education at the most. Most have not been routinely around anyone different from them eg. people of color, other nationalities, or cultures. Most have never even left their own state, let alone the country. Even though the USSR fell over 30 years ago, the lesson handed down to the younger generations from the elder is, "socialism is bad; never, ever allow the Communists to win". The only thing they know about socialism is as a monolith to be avoided, as taught to them from those who lived through the Red Scare and the Cold War.

 

[Beebo Brink]

That's the bit I don't get -- why are people in the American midwest, for example, so scared of socialists when they've probably never met one in their lives, and they tend to agree with socialist policies anyway, if they hear the policy described without being told whose it is?

In the U.S. and especially in the Midwest, the term is "godless socialist." They consider socialism to be intrinsically welded to atheism and a repudiation of god. Seriously.

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[Innula Zenovka]

In the U.S. and especially in the Midwest, the term is "godless socialist." They consider socialism to be intrinsically welded to atheism and a repudiation of god. Seriously.

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While in the UK, the Labour Movement, at least in England, was very much associated in its early days, at least, with the
Quakers, Methodists and Baptists.

There's always been the godless communist strand, too, but Christian Socialism was very much a thing in the English labour movement.

 

[Sovereignty]

While in the UK, the Labour Movement, at least in England, was very much associated in its early days, at least, with the
Quakers, Methodists and Baptists.

There's always been the godless communist strand, too, but Christian Socialism was very much a thing in the English labour movement.

Wikipedia has an article titled Red Scare. It notes that there were two red scares in the U.S, the first one starting in 1917.

The current situation seems reminiscent of the first.

The First Red Scare, which occurred immediately after World War I, revolved around a perceived threat from the American labor movement, anarchist revolution, and political radicalism.

It's all only indirectly related to actual socialism. Labels are thrown around just because ...

Most people here are satisfied with narrow minded views of political ideas.

 

[Beebo Brink]

There's always been the godless communist strand, too, but Christian Socialism was very much a thing in the English labour movement.

Well, yes, YOU know that.

You asked why socialism is feared and reviled in the Midwest, and I'm telling you why. Actual facts about real socialists are irrelevant to the attitudes of these Americans.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Well, yes, YOU know that.

You asked why socialism is feared and reviled in the Midwest, and I'm telling you why. Actual facts about real socialists are irrelevant to the attitudes of these Americans.

Yes, I was just thinking about this profound, but easily overlooked, historical difference between the two countries.

 

[Sovereignty]

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

In the U.S. and especially in the Midwest, the term is "godless socialist." They consider socialism to be intrinsically welded to atheism and a repudiation of god. Seriously.

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I think self-interest is a stronger factor.

They're absolutely convinced that democrats will raise taxes on them, and then use all that money on welfare for minorities who live lives of such luxury that they'd never be able to afford if they worked an actual real job and paid their own taxes.

All they need to do is stay single and squeeze out another "scary future gang-banger/rapist" or another future "welfare queen" every year to make sure those fat government checks keep rolling in. With nary a thanks to the hard working sacrifice of tax-paying 'good white republicans'.

They're convinced that democrats want to make republicans the slaves of the new world order.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I know plenty of people have commented on how easily the insurgents were able to enter the Capitol Building, but I've been thinking about what would have happen if a similar mob tried to enter parliament, and they just wouldn''t get in.

The gates to the Palace of Westminster would have been closed immediately, and any trespassers would immediately have been met by officers armed with Heckler & Koch machine guns, while reinforcements would have been racing in from all over London (and the SAS would probably have been in attendance, even if they didn't get to kill anyone).

You don't invade the legislature like that, you just don't. Protestors sometimes get in and do stupid stuff, but not mobs trying to storm the buildinng.

 

[Sovereignty]

 

[detrius]

I just found this in my YouTube recommendations:


Remember when The Onion was supposed to be satire?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

No great surprise there.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Wow... So much for being the Party of Law and Order, Backing the Blue, and Blue Lives Matter. I guess those only apply when the cops are shooting black people.

 

[Pancake]

I know plenty of people have commented on how easily the insurgents were able to enter the Capitol Building, but I've been thinking about what would have happen if a similar mob tried to enter parliament, and they just wouldn''t get in.

The gates to the Palace of Westminster would have been closed immediately, and any trespassers would immediately have been met by officers armed with Heckler & Koch machine guns, while reinforcements would have been racing in from all over London (and the SAS would probably have been in attendance, even if they didn't get to kill anyone).

You don't invade the legislature like that, you just don't. Protestors sometimes get in and do stupid stuff, but not mobs trying to storm the buildinng.

I’ve been saying the same since it started. The last attack on Canadian parliament resulted in the assailant shot 31 times, including by the Sargent at Arms in full ceremonial robes. Some say it’s different when it’s a mob, and maybe so, but I feel like it indicates something else that’s fundamentally different about Americans and their relationship with their government than exists in other countries? I’m just not sure what.

Edit to add, I’ve had to visit the provincial Legislature several times for work, and couldn’t imagine a mob getting through security even when the premier isn’t in the building, let alone the extra security when they are in session.