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Beebo Brink

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For the good but busy family men I can but manage a polite but fake smile.
And how would I compare to these good family men? That polite fake smile could just as easily be directed at me as well. They didn't vote for Trump, any more than I did. A few may be registered as Republicans rather than Democrats, but how exactly does that change this narrative about immigration policy? I may be a Democrat but other than casting my (futile) vote for Hillary Clinton, it's not like I've done anything substantive to help people like those poor drowned immigrants. My handwringing didn't save their lives.

Your attitude of disdain just seems glib to me.
 

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My handwringing didn't save their lives.
Putting aside whether you actually did nothing or not, their deaths and the situation impacted you, became part of your consciousness, and informed your future choices. Isn’t that the bare minimum we should expect from others? As opposed to the far too many who say “oh yeah, that’s awful, but I’m too busy to think about it...”

I have many markers in things that have changed my politics forever (Sandy Hook, for example) and maybe it’s glib, but I do hold a measure of contempt for anyone that cannot tax themselves to do the same over issues that should change our politics forever.
 

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Another force I strongly suspect Is propelling Biden: apocalyptic coronavirus fears.

Many of us, including me, do not want to be in the middle of any sort of revolution when the Apocalypse hits. We are fine for now just trying to fix what Trump has broken. Not moved by charisma just now —- basic competence and kindness is enough.

Not saying the Apocalypse is any kind of sure thing, just trying to prepare for the worst while hoping for the best.
 

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I think a lot of the issues discussed here are the result of the current primary system. The Dems need to scrap it. I would prefer a quasi-regional system that broke the states into groups, with diversity overriding regionalism when needed. And then rotate the order in which the groups vote.

Also:
* Let voters rank their choices;
* Hold a pig roast and kill the Iowa caucus in a bonfire fed with dried corn cobs; and
* Scrap the superdelegates completely to purge the smell of them.

While I‘m fantasizing, both parties should come together in Congress and create a non-partisan commission to create rules for more fair and transparent primaries, craft campaign finance reform proposals, and push to make primary and general election days paid holidays. (No, I won’t hold my breath.)

And to the DNC and Dems in general: FFS, pour gobs if money into down-ticket female candidates. Maybe there is a critical mass of female senators, congress critters, and governors that can wash away the infuriating sexism that keeps shaping our politics.

It is all so infuriating and depressing.
 

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Many of us, including me, do not want to be in the middle of any sort of revolution when the Apocalypse hits.
I agree, but I think the chances of a President Sanders leading us into his dreamed of revolution are about the same as the odds that the Washington Monument will escape its earthly bonds, fly to the White House, and use its pointy end to bury Trump, Pence, and his cabinet 500 feet underground.
 

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Salome, I would sent your post to Bernie if I had the connections :) Not because I agree with it, and in fact I'm going to disagree with as much of it as I have time for right now, but because I see where you are coming from and I'd really like to be reassured that Sanders does, too. I'd like him to knock off the establishment talk, or at least limit it to the objects of his ire. I believe he genuinely does not believe every member or contributor to the party is part of the problem, but he may be too tone deaf to recognize that that's how he is received, by some, probably many, people.

When he talks of "the establishment", I believe he is too absorbed in top-down thinking. Me, too. People at congressional and senate level, party leadership, and I mean the very top, mainstream news organizations. And not even all of them, or the people in them. He's talking about people taking money from industry and PACs, or representing industry or PACs. He has a cynical (and I'd say realistic) view of how well a representative, or a media pundit, can represent or even understand what the people want when they are incentivized to do otherwise. I encourage you to look up "corruption is legal in america" on youtube and think very seriously about that stupid graph and what it means.

I'm going to give you just two examples of how Sanders and his supporters experience the Democratic party, in lieu of quoting some piece of your post and responding to it. Because I'm in a big damned hurry...

Obviously Sanders had problems with DWS. Her replacement? Also problematic. Not really his business, but recognize the circumstance. Both the party establishment and Bernie's supporters kinda both supported Keith Ellison as party chair. He could have been a non-contentious choice. But that wasn't good enough for Obama. He asked Perez to run, and since he was Obama's choice, of course he won. It was an unnecessary stick in the eye of Bernie's supporters.

"They're not Democrats"

After 2016 there were two competing movements among Sanders supporters. Demexit: abandon the Democratic party and help it die, and Dementer: join the Democratic party and participate to make it more progressive. The latter won, I think. I joined my state party. In California the effort was so successful that they thought they would have the numbers (and support from lots of party insiders and elected officials) to elect a progressive black woman as state party chair. But they learned that there are superdelegates at the state level, too, and a voting mechanism that can be hidden when it is convenient. So, a pharmaceutical lobbyist won that chair. How's that for a stick in the eye? California was making moves toward M4AllOfCalifornia. With the party chair a pharma "consultant" and lobbyist, and Pelosi reassuring the industry that nothing will come of M4A, Dementer fell out of favor in California. No clue if it's even still a thing.

More to come if I have time.
Anya, if you find the time, I hope you are able to complete your thoughts on the piece written by Salome. I thought it was an incredibly important piece, thought-provoking, insightful, and maybe one of the best political commentaries I've read in awhile. I agree that it's something I would love Sanders team to contemplate and address. I think you would be the best diplomat to respond to it on this thread.
 

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Yes, be proud to vote for this.

Joe Biden is the Hillary Clinton of 2020

Add it all up and you get a negative portrait of Joe Biden — the buckraker who failed to protect a sexual harassment victim and spent the aughts boosting the Iraq War and bank deregulation after fueling mass incarceration and anti-gay discrimination in the 1980s and ’90s.
Trump's going to have a field day if it's him, muddying the waters when he's supposed to occupy some moral high ground.
 
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Well that didn’t take long...

I don't really consider the Sister city program to be a nefarious plot. I mean sure, the USSR wanted good propaganda, but no one was going to fall for any bullcrap. Especially not a guy like Bernie, very interested in Human Rights. This might hurt him with some voters though.
 
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I don't really consider the Sister city program to be a nefarious plot. I mean sure, the USSR wanted good propaganda, but no one was going to fall for any bullcrap. Especially not a guy like Bernie, very interested in Human Rights. This might hurt him with some voters though.
Oh, I don’t expect it to hurt him much, if at all. I don’t think the meat of it is particularly damning, especially to his younger base. It might cost him some older voters, but they're not swinging for him anyway. I just think it’s an small taste of the kind of stuff people have been sitting on for the last several years while Bernie was getting a pass.
 

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I keep hoping they will just trash all these hackable malfunctioning voting machines, which were known to be defective before the primary fiasco. Why bother with an election when you can just make up the votes?

 
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Bronx’s dad has been sharing the latest polling.
I really miss Bronx.

No one expected Sanders to do well in FL, but if he loses big in Michigan, it’s hard to see him having any justification not to fuck off already.
I honestly wish he had never run. If he hadn't, I think Warren could have easily taken the nomination.
 

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This video is from Antonio Moore, who is leading the fight on reparations for the black community. He has a different perspective on what happened in South Carolina (it's pre-Super Tuesday). It's enlightening, demanding savvier politics that actually deliver something to black people. It is not pro-anybody, but his focus is on who actually helps the black community. Not just who has a D behind their name.

 
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