Yay! YEEHAW, it's Shootin' Time

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shoot #shortsfeed #shorts

 

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It's very unsettling when you see those big red dots pop up and you realize what they stand for.

Columbine
Sandy Hook
Parkland
Uvalde

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Argument over not saying ‘thank you’ at Texas shopping plaza ends in deadly shooting: cops

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Argument over not saying ‘thank you’ at Texas shopping plaza ends in deadly shooting: cops

I'm feeling no surprise with this headline.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Argument over not saying ‘thank you’ at Texas shopping plaza ends in deadly shooting: cops

Considering every swinging dick in that state walks around armed, this was a totally predictable outcome.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I'm feeling no surprise with this headline.

Considering every swinging dick in that state walks around armed, this was a totally predictable outcome.

Etiquette in Texas and the South

Texas and the Southern United States of America is famed for its 'Southern Hospitality'. Find out what customs and etiquette will ensure you have an enjoyable and trouble-free stay.

www.traveletiquette.co.uk

Always make a point of practising common courtesy, such as saying please and thank you, greeting, respecting authoritative figures and opening doors for others. Doing so will allow you to integrate more into Southern society, and although not local, you will be more than likely dually respected for showing such courtesy to others.

 

[detrius]

Ammophiles occasionally quote Heinlein and say that "an armed society is a polite society" - but that's just an euphemism for intimidation.

 

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[Innula Zenovka]

BBC News - US cleaning woman shot dead after arriving at wrong home

US cleaning woman shot and killed after arriving at wrong home

Police say they found Maria Florinda Rios Perez, 32, dead after she was shot on the front porch of a home in an Indianapolis suburb.

www.bbc.com

I really don't understand how US stand your ground laws work. In the UK you're allowed to use reasonable force (including lethal force) to defend yourself given your understanding of the situation at the time.

So while a jury would very likely think shooting someone through a closed door was reasonable if they were trying to batter down the door, it's very unlikely a jury would take the same view about shooting a stranger who was simply ringing the doorbell, and who had shown no indication of any hostile intent.

 

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

BBC News - US cleaning woman shot dead after arriving at wrong home

US cleaning woman shot and killed after arriving at wrong home

Police say they found Maria Florinda Rios Perez, 32, dead after she was shot on the front porch of a home in an Indianapolis suburb.

www.bbc.com

I really don't understand how US stand your ground laws work.

You don't need to, in most cases they're Performative Legislation. And in part, designed to give an "out" to white people who freak out and shoot people they shouldn't have.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

BBC News - US cleaning woman shot dead after arriving at wrong home

US cleaning woman shot and killed after arriving at wrong home

Police say they found Maria Florinda Rios Perez, 32, dead after she was shot on the front porch of a home in an Indianapolis suburb.

www.bbc.com

I really don't understand how US stand your ground laws work. In the UK you're allowed to use reasonable force (including lethal force) to defend yourself given your understanding of the situation at the time.

So while a jury would very likely think shooting someone through a closed door was reasonable if they were trying to batter down the door, it's very unlikely a jury would take the same view about shooting a stranger who was simply ringing the doorbell, and who had shown no indication of any hostile intent.

I'm quite certain that NOWWHERE in the USA lets you shoot someone for knocking on your door/ringing the doorbell. If she had broken in (which seems very unlikely) that would be a totally different story. If she had broken in, then Castle laws take effect. Just for knocking, even stand your ground doesn't make sense. The shooter needs to explain why cleaning supplies were so scary!

The shooter was obviously motivated by racism as is usually the case with situations like this. I also have no confidence Police will do the right thing.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I'm quite certain that NOWWHERE in the USA lets you shoot someone for knocking on your door/ringing the doorbell. If she had broken in (which seems very unlikely) that would be a totally different story. If she had broken in, then Castle laws take effect. Just for knocking, even stand your ground doesn't make sense. The shooter needs to explain why cleaning supplies were so scary!

The shooter was obviously motivated by racism as is usually the case with situations like this. I also have no confidence Police will do the right thing.

According to the BBC report to which I linked

Boone County prosecutor Kent Eastwood told The Indianapolis Star that the case is complex due to the language of the state's stand-your-ground law.

Stand-your-ground laws are in place in many US states and most permit an individual to protect themselves with the use of reasonable force, including deadly force, to prevent death or great bodily harm.

I don't see why the prosecution thinks it's complicated.

Over here the police would investigate the scene, interview everyone concerned and submit a report to the Crown Prosecution Service. If the CPS determined that there was a plausible case against the defendants, it's generally policy that the case should go to trial on the principle that, the more serious the alleged crime, the greater the public interest in the outcome being decided by a jury in open court rather than by lawyers in private.

Given the burden of proof in criminal cases -- the jury has to be persuaded so that they're sure the degree of force used was unreasonable, given the defendant's (possibly unreasonable) understanding of the situation at the time, reinforced by a reminder from the judge (normally inevitable in this kind of case) that the jury must remember that the defendant had to make a split-second decision in fast-moving and highly charged circumstances, without the opportunity to make a calm and considered assessment of the whole set of facts available to them -- defendants in this kind of case are normally acquitted unless (as may the case here) they've obviously gone way over the top, but it's generally considered best for public confidence in the justice system that, if you kill someone, you have to be able to justify it to a jury.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Don't have a link handy, but you may not be surprised to know that this has come up before in a state with Stand Your Ground Laws (it was Louisiana or Texas if I am remembering right). And it came down to reasonable force does not include firing at an unarmed person through a locked door.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I googled this story and found this

Husband of Indiana woman shot dead after going to wrong house said 'they tore everything from me'

Maria Florinda Rios Perez, 32, was killed after she went to the wrong address for a house-cleaning appointment; her family wants the person responsible to face justice.

www.nbcnews.com

The prosecutor is complaining that it's difficult to understand what "reasonable force" means in this context. But that's surely a question for the jury -- in the UK whenever two guys get into a fight in the pub car park and one of them pleads self-defence, juries are asked whether he used "reasonable force" or not, given the facts of the case, and they don't normally find it too difficult to decide.

If the facts available to the the prosecution would be sufficient for a reasonable jury, properly directed, to convict, depending on what they make of the evidence before them, then let a jury decide.

 

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

I don't own any firearms, don't feel the need for one,

Yeah, I've changed my mind on this over the past month and a half because....(points around at everything).

I'm not going to talk about certain specifics further here, because (everything), but I thought it was important to mention my change of mind.

I think I've mentioned that my dad was an outdoorsy hunty type, and he taught me to how to shoot his shotgun (a .410 the smallest gauge) and bought me an Air-rifle in my teens. He was similar in mindset to what the gun-owning community now calls a "Fudd". He didn't much like the NRA and stopped reading a couple of hunting magazines when they went more rabidly right-wing tacticool and into more of the "you have to own high end hardware and go on hunts in Alaska or Idaho to be a REAL outdoorsman" mindset. He would be fine with Illinois current laws, as much as he wanted an M1 Carbine, which was his favorite among the weapons he was trained for in the Army durring WW2.

He didn't think "normal people" needed modern M16/AR15/AK47 type weapons with high capacity magazines and tacticool addons. He was fine with magazine restrictions. He actually said once "I can understand wanting to not have to reload often, but you shouldn't need more than a few shots at a time, unless one needs to practice more". He also had some bad experiences with gun safety, going hunting with his half brothers, he stopped going hunting with them because he didn't trust them use their firearms safely.

I've discussed the air rifle of my youth and my fathers rules before:

Yay! YEEHAW, it's Shootin' Time

Holy shit. The Washington Post has a 3 part article, published today showing the results of some major AR-15 shootings in America. This includes descriptions, images and words of survivor's and first responders. This includes 11 shootings between 2012 and 2023, including among them Uvalde...

www.virtualverse.one

Those 880's and any other air rifle with 700+ fps or larger than .177 ammunition, are now considered firearm-like in Illinois. They require FOIDs to buy and the standard waiting period, because of the high FPS. The ones on shelves that don't require an FOID to buy, like Daisy's Christmas Wish Red Ryder (basically the Ralphie edition) or the Daisy 2840 average about 350 fps. of course, since the higher end Daisy's are firearm-like and behind the counters they've gone ahead and made them even MORE powerful. 800fps instead of the 650 or so of my youth. As a comparison, some standard power .22LR rounds are 1070fps. (the .22LR round is heavier and hits harder of course.

 

[Dancien]

I've been asked more gun purchasing/training advice in the past 6 months than I've been asked I think ever. Especially from friends of mine who swore up and down they would never touch a firearm let alone own one. Kind of bums me out.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The Hard-Left Shooters Leading a Gun Culture Revolution

Earlier this year, I attended a shooting competition for queer, often trans, very online misfits. Then Charlie Kirk was killed.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

The Hard-Left Shooters Leading a Gun Culture Revolution

I've heard the phrase "If you go far enough left, you get your guns back!" I frankly question the judgement of most in that group since the far right gun nuts easily outnumber them.

 

[Dancien]

There are a lot of far right gun nuts. Most of them though are all hat, and no cattle. Like they talk a lot but if bullets started flying they'd curl up in a corner and piss themselves.

 

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

The Hard-Left Shooters Leading a Gun Culture Revolution

Ah, thanks for posting it, I saw it in /r/liberalgunowners

And yeah, some of these lefty gun owners should think a little more about "optics", especially the ones into anarchism or soviet-weapons. I kind of like that Karl fellow who does the InRangeTV videos on youtube, those are informative. But the Tacticool Girlfriend's videos make my midwestern "Fudd" sensitivities a little uncomfortable. And yes, I had assumed she was trans even before the article confirmed it. Edgelordy anarchy/commie alt-fashion wearing woman with a gun fetish? That's pretty much a trans stereotype. Bet she did airsoft as a teenager too. Also I think they should mention autism a little bit less to the press, because you KNOW what people feel think about trans people who admit to autism.

I frankly question the judgement of most in that group

I don't think the numbers are as important as the fact that some lefty gun owners are just as fetishistic about firearms as some on the right. Enough so, that /r/liberalgunowners makes me a little uncomfortable with some of the rhetoric at times. I've seen some actually refer to states like Massachusetts, New York, California or Illinois as "oppressed states" and places like Texas or Idaho as "freedom states", because they see everything through the lens of wanting their own .50cal BMG M2HB machine gun or 30 round magazines for their Czech-made AK47 clone.

There are a lot of far right gun nuts. Most of them though are all hat, and no cattle. Like they talk a lot but if bullets started flying they'd curl up in a corner and piss themselves.

Heck, I'd probably be hiding in a corner.