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History of the Donbas region
"...Based on our premise that Ukraine is Russian land..." ~ Olga Skabeeva
Don't underestimate the strategic importance of undermining the fighting spirits from the enemy troupes,
So Ukraine has to give up land for the convenience of the western world and in the end reward Russia for its aggression?98 year old Henry Kissinger held a speech right now at the WEF in Davos about Ukraine.
His key points, some of them for sure are controversial:
* the West should stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia, and Ukraine should give up territory (probably Donetzk/Donbass).
* Ukraine must begin negotiations before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. The dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante.
98 year old Henry Kissinger held a speech right now at the WEF in Davos about Ukraine.
F*ck the NYTSame day, another article: the Editorial Board of the NYT is saying that America must show Ukraine the limits of their support.
In the end, it is the Ukrainians who must make the hard decisions: They are the ones fighting, dying and losing their homes to Russian aggression, and it is they who must decide what an end to the war might look like. If the conflict does lead to real negotiations, it will be Ukrainian leaders who will have to make the painful territorial decisions that any compromise will demand.
The United States and NATO have demonstrated that they will support the Ukrainian fight with ample firepower and other means. And however the fighting ends, the United States and its allies must be prepared to help Ukraine rebuild.
But as the war continues, Mr. Biden should also make clear to President Volodymyr Zelensky and his people that there is a limit to how far the United States and NATO will go to confront Russia, and limits to the arms, money and political support they can muster. It is imperative that the Ukrainian government’s decisions be based on a realistic assessment of its means and how much more destruction Ukraine can sustain.
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Opinion | The War in Ukraine Is Getting Complicated, and America Isn’t Ready
U.S. support for the war is not guaranteed.www.nytimes.com
Also, F*ck Kissinger - he's a war criminal, was under Nixon ffs.98 year old Henry Kissinger held a speech right now at the WEF in Davos about Ukraine.
His key points, some of them for sure are controversial:
* the West should stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia, and Ukraine should give up territory (probably Donetzk/Donbass).
* Ukraine must begin negotiations before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. The dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyong that point would be not about freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself.
* It would be also fatal it the West got swept up in the mood of the moment and forget Russia's position of power within Europe. Russia was an essential part of Europe for over four centuries, so that European leaders must not lose sight of the longer term relationship or otherwise risk putting Russia in a permanent alliance with China.
* "I hope the Ukrainians will match the heroism they have shown with wisdom."
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Kissinger tells global elite Ukraine should give Russia territory
The former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger told the global elite that Ukraine should give Russia territory within the next two months and accept terms that fail to meet current war aims.www.dailymail.co.uk
Exactly. Its not like Ukraine is invading Russia. Also, if we do that, then we tell Putin and his elites that there is no penalty for this and it continues. All giving up land does is kick the can a little - and eventually, it WILL be a NATO country invaded. We should have done something years ago [also, the west should have done something the second Iraq war, or the US invasion of Afghanistan [though since everyone lost citizens in 9/11....]So Ukraine has to give up land for the convenience of the western world and in the end reward Russia for its aggression?
I read an old man only concerned about how the western world (read America) comes best out of the situation.
What happens to Ukraine isn't really his concern, is it?
I think the west should support Ukraine all the way, until the last Russian soldier has left the country again.
Which they proceed to do in this well written article.The New York Times editorial, “The War in Ukraine Is Getting Complicated, and America Isn’t Ready,” published on May 19, immediately caused an uproar in Ukraine.
A veiled manifesto of appeasement from a newspaper known for its stellar coverage of Russia’s horrific invasion has disappointed many.
In the editorial, the New York Times editorial board argues that it’s too dangerous to assume that Ukraine can win the war. It says “Russia is too strong,” that Ukraine should make a “painful compromise” and give up some territories to Russia. The U.S. must understand the futility and stop “taunting” Russia, the editorial says. Meaning: Ukraine will lose anyway, stop helping it so it’s over faster.
In short, the editorial attempts to pass off appeasement and betrayal of the free world’s values as pragmatic reasoning.
Dark times have always shed light on those willing to compromise their values to preserve their daily comforts. Neither a French president, a German intellectual, nor an award-winning American newspaper are exempt from being wrong.
As a newsroom witnessing the war from inside Ukraine, we want to set the record straight.