The Russia-Ukraine War has begun

[Innula Zenovka]

The editorial in question is paywalled so I can't read it, but I hope this is one of those ratbag guest editorials that NYT is notorious for publishing.

Your hope, I fear, is misplaced, since it's by the editorial board.

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[Soen Eber]

Your hope, I fear, is misplaced, since it's by the editorial board.

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Hence my subscription to the Washington Post.

 

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The editorial in question is paywalled so I can't read it

War in Ukraine is getting complicated, and America isn’t ready — The New York Times

The Senate passed a $40 billion emergency aid package for Ukraine, but with a small group of isolationist Republicans loudly criticizing the spending and the war entering a new and complicated phase, continued bipartisan support is not guaranteed.

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Fear of nuclear war.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Which they proceed to do in this well written article.

Editorial: The Kyiv Independent’s response to the New York Times editorial board

I didn't even try to read the editorial from the NYT. As for the Kyiv Independent, I wholeheartedly agree because I've been saying this for a while. You have to stand up to bullies - and I think the world needs more leaders like Zelenskiy - ones who will stay with their people instead of running off to safety, or throwing them under the bus.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Hence my subscription to the Washington Post.

I don't support the Post either - in part because Bezos owns it and he's a shit person too. Seriously, my american sources of news are from comedians - they seem more truthful, and come with palette cleansers too.

 

[Essence Lumin]

I don't support the Post either - in part because Bezos owns it and he's a shit person too. Seriously, my american sources of news are from comedians - they seem more truthful, and come with palette cleansers too.

The Guardian is my favorite source. It is of course British owned but they do have Manhattan offices and extensive coverage that feels less icky than the NY Times, Washington Post or CNN.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The Guardian is my favorite source. It is of course British owned but they do have Manhattan offices and extensive coverage that feels less icky than the NY Times, Washington Post or CNN.

Oh, gods yes - the CNN article on the primaries yesterday was flat out the same sort of ton as the articles suggesting Ukraine has no chance of winning, so should give away their land and peoples to Russia, except with the establishment / progressive or magas, and gop/ dems

This bothsides crap in american news needs to be nuked from orbit.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Kissinger’s cynicism is music to Putin’s ears

I think they call it “skin in the game”. In Davos on Monday the 98-year-old Henry Kissinger was speaking on the subject of Ukraine. He advocated that Ukraine should cede territory to Russia to end the war by returning to the “status quo ante”. This would involve Ukraine accepting the Russian occupat

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Very good article in The Times, too.

 

[Tirellia]

I just want to add my 'fuck Kissinger' to the rest. What an evil old man.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Zelenskij responded to Kissinger and NYT, and oh boy is he angry about both of them:

"No matter what the Russian state does, there is always someone who says: Let's take its interests into account. This year in Davos, it was heard again despite thousands of Russian missiles hitting Ukraine, despite tens of thousands of Ukrainians killed, despite Bucha and Mariupol, etc., despite the destroyed cities, and despite the 'filtration camps' built by the Russian state, in which they kill, torture, rape, and humiliate like on a conveyor belt," Zelensky said before taking aim at Kissinger.

"Mr. Kissinger emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia so that there is no alienation of Russia from Europe. It seems that Mr. Kissinger's calendar is not 2022 but 1938, and he thought he was talking to an audience not in Davos but in Munich of that time," the Ukrainian president said, referencing the 1938 Munich agreement, in which British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain agreed to let Nazi Germany occupy part of Czechoslovakia in an attempt to avoid war.

The Munich agreement failed to stop Hitler from expanding Nazi occupation efforts.

The Ukrainian leader also suggested that Kissinger, 98, never would have suggested to Europeans in the 1930s and 1940s to adapt to the Nazi regime.

"By the way, in the real year 1938, when Mr. Kissinger's family was fleeing Nazi Germany, he was 15 years old, and he understood everything perfectly. And nobody heard from him then that it was necessary to adapt to the Nazis instead of fleeing them or fighting them," Zelensky said.

"Symptomatic editorials began to appear in some Western media stating that Ukraine must allegedly accept so-called difficult compromises by giving up territory in exchange for peace. Perhaps the New York Times in 1938 also wrote something similar. But now, let me remind you, it is 2022," Zelensky said.

"Behind all these geopolitical speculations of those who advise Ukraine to give away something to Russia, 'great geopoliticians' are always unwilling to see ordinary people, ordinary Ukrainians, millions of those who actually live in the territory they propose to exchange for the illusion of peace. You must always see people and remember that values are not just a word," Zelensky said.

He is convinced that after the full-scale Russian invasion, the world was not ready for Ukrainian courage because, in his opinion, many in the world had no habit of taking Ukraine into account.

“That is why I pay such attention to international platforms, addresses to parliamentarians, to parliaments, to the people of other countries, to communication with the expert community, with journalists, with students. We must do everything possible for the world to get a permanent habit of taking Ukraine into account. So that the interests of Ukrainians are not overlapped by the interests of those who are in a hurry for another meeting with the dictator,” Zelensky said.

Zelensky blasts Kissinger and New York Times for suggesting appeasement deal with Russia

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky took aim at the New York Times and American statesman Henry Kissinger, blasting the two for suggesting that Ukraine

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

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It seems that Mr. Kissinger's calendar is not 2022 but 1938

Ouch.

 

[Soen Eber]

On the other hand, the Munich agreement also gave Britain another year with which to build aircraft on a war footing. This allowed them to win the Battle of Britain.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Zelenskij responded to Kissinger and NYT, and oh boy is he angry about both of them:

"No matter what the Russian state does, there is always someone who says: Let's take its interests into account. This year in Davos, it was heard again despite thousands of Russian missiles hitting Ukraine, despite tens of thousands of Ukrainians killed, despite Bucha and Mariupol, etc., despite the destroyed cities, and despite the 'filtration camps' built by the Russian state, in which they kill, torture, rape, and humiliate like on a conveyor belt," Zelensky said before taking aim at Kissinger.

"Mr. Kissinger emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia so that there is no alienation of Russia from Europe. It seems that Mr. Kissinger's calendar is not 2022 but 1938, and he thought he was talking to an audience not in Davos but in Munich of that time," the Ukrainian president said, referencing the 1938 Munich agreement, in which British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain agreed to let Nazi Germany occupy part of Czechoslovakia in an attempt to avoid war.

The Munich agreement failed to stop Hitler from expanding Nazi occupation efforts.

The Ukrainian leader also suggested that Kissinger, 98, never would have suggested to Europeans in the 1930s and 1940s to adapt to the Nazi regime.

"By the way, in the real year 1938, when Mr. Kissinger's family was fleeing Nazi Germany, he was 15 years old, and he understood everything perfectly. And nobody heard from him then that it was necessary to adapt to the Nazis instead of fleeing them or fighting them," Zelensky said.

"Symptomatic editorials began to appear in some Western media stating that Ukraine must allegedly accept so-called difficult compromises by giving up territory in exchange for peace. Perhaps the New York Times in 1938 also wrote something similar. But now, let me remind you, it is 2022," Zelensky said.

"Behind all these geopolitical speculations of those who advise Ukraine to give away something to Russia, 'great geopoliticians' are always unwilling to see ordinary people, ordinary Ukrainians, millions of those who actually live in the territory they propose to exchange for the illusion of peace. You must always see people and remember that values are not just a word," Zelensky said.

He is convinced that after the full-scale Russian invasion, the world was not ready for Ukrainian courage because, in his opinion, many in the world had no habit of taking Ukraine into account.

“That is why I pay such attention to international platforms, addresses to parliamentarians, to parliaments, to the people of other countries, to communication with the expert community, with journalists, with students. We must do everything possible for the world to get a permanent habit of taking Ukraine into account. So that the interests of Ukrainians are not overlapped by the interests of those who are in a hurry for another meeting with the dictator,” Zelensky said.

Zelensky blasts Kissinger and New York Times for suggesting appeasement deal with Russia

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky took aim at the New York Times and American statesman Henry Kissinger, blasting the two for suggesting that Ukraine

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Well said Zelensky !

 

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On the other hand, the Munich agreement also gave Britain another year with which to build aircraft on a war footing. This allowed them to win the Battle of Britain.

It sure solved the problem of war with Germany though, huh?

 

[Faithless Babii]

On the other hand, the Munich agreement also gave Britain another year with which to build aircraft on a war footing. This allowed them to win the Battle of Britain.

Allowed them - no it helped it didnt allow

 

[Innula Zenovka]

On the other hand, the Munich agreement also gave Britain another year with which to build aircraft on a war footing. This allowed them to win the Battle of Britain.

That was also, after the Great Patriotic War began on June 22, 1941, the Soviet Union's explanation for the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.

I don't have much time for historical counterfactuals, but there's certainly a very credible case to be made that the failure of Britain and France to support Czechoslovakia at Munich persuaded Stalin that they weren't serious about resisting Hitler, and not to be trusted as partners, thus paving the way for the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact the following August and the Nazi and Soviet invasions of Poland the following month and the start of WW2.

Had Chamberlain resisted Hitler's demands, European history might have been very different.

 

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