SCOTUS set to overturn Roe and Casey

[Free]

The state can't have it both ways, she argues.

So new to this planet, she is.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

This thread was started on May 2. The Dobbs decision was put out on June 24. Math = A lot more than a few days.

Okay, so... having done less important research - it probably took them most of the two months to get it written up, passed through review to make sure it was up to snuff, etc.

Or, alternatively, like most folks, being basically law abiding decent people, they didn't think the decision would go through [my spouse didn't and he's actually got a political background]. So had to scramble.

Because projection isn't always bad things but good things too.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

To me, Executive Orders are tantamount to nothing. I do realize it is all that he can offer, but as we learned during Trump's time in office, it WILL be overridden almost immediately the second Trump or whomever the next despot will be sets foot in office. I am leaning toward it being Trump, as the SC is paving the way, but it really could be any Republican. The forces behind that person, just as Trump would never have had the first clue who to nominate for Scotus, will see to it that it becomes so.

Their next step, assuming a Senate majority, will be to enact a federal ban. They will toss away states' rights at the drop of a hat because none of their cries about states' rights ever meant a damn thing other than using it to justify things like slavery, Jim Crow, chipping away at Roe, etc...

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Prolly not the smartest thing to do.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

The Holy Pope Francis is with the Supreme Court, respects its decision and condemns abortion. Why? Because abortion is like "hiring a hit man" to solve a problem in his view.

Since the Hopy Pope is for all Roman Catholics the god's representative on Earth, they and other conservatives must be for sure thrilled about this godly support!

Pope Francis respects US Supreme court decision and condemns abortion - Vatican News

In a wide-ranging interview with American journalist Philip Pullella of Reuters, Pope Francis covers topics such as the recent US Supreme Court ...

www.vaticannews.va

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The Holy Pope Francis is with the Supreme Court, respects its decision and condemns abortion. Why? Because abortion is like "hiring a hit man" to solve a problem in his view.

Since the Hopy Pope is for all Roman Catholics the god's representative on Earth, they and other conservatives must be for sure thrilled about this godly support!

Pope Francis respects US Supreme court decision and condemns abortion - Vatican News

In a wide-ranging interview with American journalist Philip Pullella of Reuters, Pope Francis covers topics such as the recent US Supreme Court ...

www.vaticannews.va

The problem is, the whole thing is being couched as 'abortion' rights, on both sides, but the ruling is knocking down a ruling that protected doctors making the right choices for their patients AND about a woman's right to privacy.

Of course, the main reason I won't go back to the Church is that they hold women as 'too special to have a voice in the Church' which is a polite way of saying women aren't 'really' people.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The problem is, for the bajillionth time [not to you, but its like I keep having to say this]:

Legislative branch makes the laws, Executive branch executes the law, and Judicial branch well, decides if they are constitutional - at least in the body of Congress, President and SCOTUS.

All Congress making a law means is, it puts off the question until a case can get back through to SCOTUS where they will just declare it unconstitutional. Not to mention, there is no way until after the election, that it would make it through the Senate.

Sadly, seems like no one in our own damn government knows how the government works.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Read the threatening letter the Texas GOP sent to a law firm that planned to reimburse travel costs for employees seeking an abortion

In the letter, The Texas Freedom Caucus said it will impose civil and criminal sanctions on law firms that pay for abortion or abortion travel.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Read the threatening letter the Texas GOP sent to a law firm that planned to reimburse travel costs for employees seeking an abortion

In the letter, The Texas Freedom Caucus said it will impose civil and criminal sanctions on law firms that pay for abortion or abortion travel.

www.businessinsider.com

They aren't that smart.... and I'm guessing these guys are all either incels or rapists - I mean, look at them - looking at them is triggering....

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Free]

Someone has Isabeau on ignore.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Floating abortion clinic proposed in Gulf to bypass bans

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — A California doctor is proposing a floating abortion clinic in the Gulf of Mexico as a way to maintain access for people in southern states where abortion bans have been enacted.

apnews.com

This is well-intentioned, but it is just not a good and practical idea. Same with those who propose hosting abortion clinics on Federal land inside anti-abortion states. It doesn't prevent or protect you from anything. The fact that there's a publicly-known abortion clinic and really nothing else of note on that bit of federal-property is more than enough to give police probable cause if you go there and they'll just arrest you as soon as you return from it. Or at the dock or the airport, when you return from the floating women's clinic. Along with the pilots, driver, etc. Same with the clinic staff when they go home or to the store, etc.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Floating abortion clinic proposed in Gulf to bypass bans

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — A California doctor is proposing a floating abortion clinic in the Gulf of Mexico as a way to maintain access for people in southern states where abortion bans have been enacted.

apnews.com

This is well-intentioned, but it is just not a good and practical idea. Same with those who propose hosting abortion clinics on Federal land inside anti-abortion states. It doesn't prevent or protect you from anything. The fact that there's a publicly-known abortion clinic and really nothing else of note on that bit of federal-property is more than enough to give police probable cause if you go there and they'll just arrest you as soon as you return from it. Or at the dock or the airport, when you return from the floating women's clinic. Along with the pilots, driver, etc. Same with the clinic staff when they go home or to the store, etc.

Do US states have criminal jurisdiction over acts done in other states, or abroad, if those acts were lawful at the time and in the place where they were done?

I ask because in the UK that's only very rarely the case.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

So far, no. With this court? No one knows.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Do US states have criminal jurisdiction over acts done in other states, or abroad, if those acts were lawful at the time and in the place where they were done?

I ask because in the UK that's only very rarely the case.

No, a person is charged with a crime in the state in which it has been committed. Example: A person lives in Minnesota, travels to Florida, commits first degree murder. They are charged in Florida and eligible for the death penalty as Florida has it. Minnesota does not have it.

What the Republicans are attempting to do; charging a woman who goes to a state where abortion is legal goes against all previous jurisprudence. Should the Supreme Court change this, I would imagine it opening a can of worms. Most likely, individual states will continue to attempt to charge people with no consequence until such time as a case works its way to the Supreme Court, similar to their very restrictive anti-abortion laws prior to the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

 

[Soen Eber]

This was a pretty active area of jurisprudence early on in the the nation's history, what with each state wanting to tax, monopolize, ban, profit from, restrict trade and movement and so forth, so most of this is long-settled law.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I should add that this is only their strategy until such time as they can get a senate majority and Republican President, at which time they fully intend to enact a federal ban, making all state laws irrelevant.