SCOTUS set to overturn Roe and Casey

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Soen Eber]

Given that minorities access abortion services four times more frequently than whites (I can find a source if necessary, it was a local TV news website) I'm finding it hard to square reversing Roe with the same party that is so irredeemably scared of the great replacement.

Can anyone explain this?

 

[WolfEyes]

However, abortion is not the political wedge issue here that it is in the US, and neither is right-wing evangelical Christianity the organised political force here than it is there.

Furthermore, to restrict abortion rights here would involve not a decision by a politicised Supreme Court but Parliament changing the law, on an issue that has always been decided on a free, non-party, vote.

You will recall that, at the end of March, MPs voted by 215 to 188 to force the government to abandon its plan to end the two-year trial of the scheme, introduced at the start of the pandemic, that allows women to obtain abortion pills by post, following a telephone consultation with a doctor, rather than having to attend a hospital or clinic. This was despite the fact the government initially wanted to abandon the scheme.

Seventy-five Conservative MPs voted against the government.

MPs vote to continue abortion ‘pills by post’ scheme in England

Government will be forced to abandon its plan to end a two-year trial of the scheme in August

www.theguardian.com

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Similarly, the previous parliament voted by 332 to 99 to extend abortion rights to Northern Ireland, where it had remained illegal until then.
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Before that, in 2008, when anti-abortion campaigners attempted to use the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill to introduce two amendments that reduced the time limit for abortions from 24 weeks to 22 and 20 weeks, these were defeated by 304 to 233 votes and 332 to 190 votes respectively.

Abortion rights have not been a live political issue here for the last 30 years.

One thing we all should keep in mind at all times. Things can (and will) change. Fast.

 

[WolfEyes]

Given that minorities access abortion services four times more frequently than whites (I can find a source if necessary, it was a local TV news website) I'm finding it hard to square reversing Roe with the same party that is so irredeemably scared of the great replacement.

Can anyone explain this?

I can sum it up in one word. Insanity.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

One thing we all should keep in mind at all times. Things can (and will) change. Fast.

Sure. Many of us, including me, were completely blindsided by Brexit, so I don't take anything for granted any more.

However, it remains the case that abortion rights are far more firmly grounded in the UK, since removing them would involve changing the law, not packing a court, there's no significant support in parliament for removing them, and neither has there been for at least 30 years, and there's no significant anti-abortion constituency here, either, as there is in the US.

It might happen, just as parliament might decide to relax controls on gun ownership, or remove the ban on fox hunting, or relax restrictions on smoking in public places, or to re-introduce the death penalty (though this would involve leaving the ECHR, which some Conservatives would certainly like to do, too).

It's just that none of these eventualities seem particularly likely at the moment.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Related and even more sad: You know there will be posts from conservative men who are shocked when their wife/sister/friend dies during a troubled pregnancy that should have been aborted...

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Given that minorities access abortion services four times more frequently than whites (I can find a source if necessary, it was a local TV news website) I'm finding it hard to square reversing Roe with the same party that is so irredeemably scared of the great replacement.

Can anyone explain this?

Watch to the end. Also, fucking American Enterprise Institute. It's in the same league as the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Related and even more sad: You know there will be posts from conservative men who are shocked when their wife/sister/friend dies during a troubled pregnancy that should have been aborted...

Related and even more sad: More women will be murdered by their boyfriends and husbands. Second only to when a woman leaves them, pregnancy is the most dangerous time for women with abusive boyfriends and husbands.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Related and even more sad: More women will be murdered by their boyfriends and husbands. Second only to when a woman leaves them, pregnancy is the most dangerous time for women with abusive boyfriends and husbands.

Not to be a downer, but I can picture it getting worse... When no fault divorce became a thing, suicide rates among women dropped something like 20%. ...that might get reversed too.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Not to be a downer, but I can picture it getting worse... When no fault divorce became a thing, suicide rates among women dropped something like 20%. ...that might get reversed too.

Efforts will be made in that direction as well, probably. None of this is about children. It's about controlling women so, sure, making divorce more difficult falls into line with that.

 

[detrius]

Given that minorities access abortion services four times more frequently than whites (I can find a source if necessary, it was a local TV news website) I'm finding it hard to square reversing Roe with the same party that is so irredeemably scared of the great replacement.

Can anyone explain this?

They'll just shoot them or expand slavery again.

 

[Ryanna Enfield]

Once children are here, it is "boot straps" mentality, so they will just starve to death. Problem solved. Look at all the social programs for children that these "Pro-Life" (pro-birth) Republicans have supported over the years. *crickets*

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The US is sliding back to the Middle Ages.
What will be next?
Reinstalling the inquisition and witch burning?
Stay away from Salem MA. Better be safe than sorry.

I don't know, Massachussets is safer now than most states.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Watch to the end. Also, fucking American Enterprise Institute. It's in the same league as the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation.

Yes, but while I take her point that the proposal was obviously racist, the fact remains that black women are considerably more likely to have abortions than are white women in the USA. According to KFF.org, in 2019 33% of patients having legal abortions in the US in 2019 were White, 38% Black, 21% Hispanic and 7% "other."

While I don't know what percentage of women of childbearing age in the USA are Black, the overall breakdown is 73% White and 12.7% Black, which means Black women will be disproportionately affected by a ban on abortion.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Yes, but while I take her point that the proposal was obviously racist, the fact remains that black women are considerably more likely to have abortions than are white women in the USA. According to KFF.org, in 2019 33% of patients having legal abortions in the US in 2019 were White, 38% Black, 21% Hispanic and 7% "other."

While I don't know what percentage of women of childbearing age in the USA are Black, the overall breakdown is 73% White and 12.7% Black, which means Black women will be disproportionately affected by a ban on abortion.

You're talking percentages, but what are the absolute numbers?

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

You're talking percentages, but what are the absolute numbers?

After a bit of digging, I tracked them down at Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2019

White: 115,486 (33.4%) Black: 132,878 (38.4%) Other: 25,056 (7.2) Hispanic: 72,509 (21.0)

NB: The CDC warns that

* Data from 30 reporting areas; excludes 22 reporting areas (California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New York City, New York State, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin) that did not report, did not report by race/ethnicity, or did not meet reporting standards.

 

[WolfEyes]

Related and even more sad: You know there will be posts from conservative men who are shocked when their wife/sister/friend dies during a troubled pregnancy that should have been aborted...

They'll say it was god's will.