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For those of you who might be wondering why I'm so adamant about posts that promote (and yes, I do believe it is promoting, does he not get views and thus money as well as exposure?) people like Jimmy Dore who, in the course of their conspiracy mongering of the worst sort, hurt people who have already been victims or had family members be victims of a high profile event. I think we can all agree that Alex Jones is scum for promoting that Sandy Hook was a false flag. This guy is no different. He is simply the left's version.

I don't believe that normalizing him here or anywhere else adds a single thing to any topic, nor do I care for the concerted effort by some to do just that. I don't care for the *broken clock* argument when I consider the greater damage that he inflicts. If they wish to get their news from some crackpot, that's their business I guess, but I also guess there is a need to push it on others for conversion perhaps, given that they don't seem to care about his history nor about any other people's objections.

We already have a country that is being managed by those who use the term "alternate facts" with a straight face, by those who insist that all mainstream media is corrupt, an enemy of the people and not to be trusted.

Now, I'm not saying that one should believe all of what mainstream media is selling (acknowledging the consolidation of media and its tendency to publish opinion as fact, omit or even sometimes lie (looking at you Fox)) But I will not, take the road that some seem to have taken in believing some joker with a microphone who claims he has his pulse on the truth is a heaven-sent purveyor of truth, who just happens to sometimes hurt people and the public discourse.
 

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There are a number of *informational* sites I visit regularly that I don't use as resources here - or in fact, anywhere - on just about any topic, even when the information provided in a piece is fully fact-based, or nearly so. And it's not because I fear a lambasting.
 

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Only Cris knows why he closed the other thread. The only name he used in his closing post was Sal's.
To be fair, you could probably hop into the lurker's united room on discord, scroll back far enough, and see why.

I read it at the time, and left. 🤷

However -scrolling back and shit probably falls squarely into the "much more trouble than it's worth" side of things.
 
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There are a number of *informational* sites I visit regularly that I don't use as resources here - or in fact, anywhere - on just about any topic, even when the information provided in a piece is fully fact-based, or nearly so. And it's not because I fear a lambasting.
Exactly that.

I, too, am careful only to use sources that are generally considered reputable and mainstream, like the Guardian, Independent, Times, Telegraph and Washington Post.

Similarly, when I post someone's tweet as a comment here, generally I think quite carefully about who it is I'm posting.
 

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There were several more members of the public who intervened, including one of the other people attending the conference, a man who, like Khan, had been released on licence, only this time while serving a life sentence for murder.

More details, including a very through and gripping eyewitness account by Commodore Toby Williamson, the clerk of the Worshipful Company of Fishmongers, here:

 

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There are a number of *informational* sites I visit regularly that I don't use as resources here - or in fact, anywhere - on just about any topic, even when the information provided in a piece is fully fact-based, or nearly so. And it's not because I fear a lambasting.
Is PornHub authoritative? There are a lot of clips that claim to be. #askingforafriend #thatsjustwhatiheard
 

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For those of you who might be wondering why I'm so adamant about posts that promote (and yes, I do believe it is promoting, does he not get views and thus money as well as exposure?) people like Jimmy Dore who, in the course of their conspiracy mongering of the worst sort, hurt people who have already been victims or had family members be victims of a high profile event. I think we can all agree that Alex Jones is scum for promoting that Sandy Hook was a false flag. This guy is no different. He is simply the left's version.

I don't believe that normalizing him here or anywhere else adds a single thing to any topic, nor do I care for the concerted effort by some to do just that. I don't care for the *broken clock* argument when I consider the greater damage that he inflicts. If they wish to get their news from some crackpot, that's their business I guess, but I also guess there is a need to push it on others for conversion perhaps, given that they don't seem to care about his history nor about any other people's objections.

We already have a country that is being managed by those who use the term "alternate facts" with a straight face, by those who insist that all mainstream media is corrupt, an enemy of the people and not to be trusted.

Now, I'm not saying that one should believe all of what mainstream media is selling (acknowledging the consolidation of media and its tendency to publish opinion as fact, omit or even sometimes lie (looking at you Fox)) But I will not, take the road that some seem to have taken in believing some joker with a microphone who claims he has his pulse on the truth is a heaven-sent purveyor of truth, who just happens to sometimes hurt people and the public discourse.
Unlike Alex Jones, Jimmy does not make things up out of whole cloth. He's very critical of the Democratic Party, sure. But he's not pushing Pizzagate even though Hillary Clinton and her husband have ties to Jeffrey Epstein. He's critical of the entire system and having a couple of unpopular opinions should not mean that he should be excluded from society. I find it telling that in a year of watching (admittedly frequently, although not every video), I didn't see any of the things you mentioned. He doesn't spend his time pushing those things. He's extremely skeptical about things, and sometimes he gets raked over for demanding evidence before jumping on any bandwagons. He cares about election security. He advocates for ranked choice voting. Yes, he was skeptical about Russiagate and there are things I don't agree with but he gives understandable reasons for his point of view. He is very much focused on working class politics. I don't agree with him voting for Stein but he was in California, which ran up the numbers for Clinton, so what difference did it make? The short of it is, most of what he says is and should be well within the normal range of discourse and de-platforming him, I don't agree with it.
 

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For Maura Clarke and so many others, the church was not the obstacle to their radicalization, but rather the vehicle. A Radical Faith charts the unlikely transformation of that most oppressive colonial emissary, the missionary, into an instrument of anti-imperialist solidarity.
This is an amazing piece that shows how the faith of these nuns brought them to the side of the oppressed, ultimately costing them their lives. People of real faith do not side with oppressors.
 

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I like to give credit to the remaining Fox people who tell the truth, because they are to only conduit of truth the Base might ever hear..

 
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However, if you intended to get people talking about the town's excursion into municipal socialism, then things might have gone rather better had you chosen a different source but at least now you know what to do next time, assuming you want to discuss the story rather than the storyteller.
As I mentioned in the previous thread, once you recognize the talking points, you know exactly where these people are getting their information from. Over time, they don’t even see the nonsense — it’s exactly how FOX and Limbaugh end up convincing their audience the sun is the moon. As for casually posting these hucksters, it’s the same method through which white nationalists use Breitbart to recruit the gullible and misanthropic. Conspiracy mongers like Dore count on useful idiots from the Left to promote them for their grift.

Anyone who listens to Dore and his ilk is telling me all I need to know about them and how far down the food chain of information they have to dive to validate their preferred narratives. There is zero excuse to willfully and deliberately spread his brand. They can argue all they want about people judging for themselves, but the result is things like Sandy Hook parents being harassed over the murder of their children for years.

It’s disgusting.