2024 Presidential Debate

[Soen Eber]

We have a President who needs 24/7 supervision so he doesn't wake up in the middle of the night and hurt himself or someone else.

He, of course, has that. So where does that leave everyone else?

Yes I know, but we're talking about Biden right now.

 

[Isabeau]

The thing is, it isn’t just Biden that will be “running” your country, but a whole team behind him. I’m not Biden’s biggest fan by a long shot, but my god, I would rather have Democrats at the helm than Trump and his maggots in the US Whitehouse. People are too hung up on who is the president. Of course, he (or she) gets to pick his team, but look who Trump’s sycophants are…

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Beebo Brink]

Everyone can have an off night, but the stakes are too high here. I am still in favor of him stepping aside. I don't agree with the NYT generally, but they are not wrong.

Dumping Biden would be a certain path to losing in November. There are no other candidates who have support in all the major -- but disparate -- groups needed to pull it off.

If Debate Biden was his new state of being, then I'd agree with you, because that Biden shocked the hell out of me. Fortunately, it seems it was a disastrous one-off due to being ill and not having the goddamn sense to just cancel and take the minor hit. Instead they went for the major hit of a bad performance. Really sucks, but the next day on the campaign trail, Biden bounced back.

Biden at his best is the strongest candidate we can field.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Even if Biden wins, Europe should seriously rethink their relationship with the U.S. We're teetering on the brink of fascism and that instability will not vaporize the day after the election. We can't be trusted (I mean, even less than ever before) and at the very least, sharing intelligence with the U.S. should be viewed as a high-risk action.

 

[Noodles]

How significant are these debates? How many people actually watch them?

Going through an election here in the UK Im struck by reporting about just how little the average brit is even exposed to the news and just how few pay any attention to our version of these debates. And surely, given its a two party system over there, the vote AGAINST trump is probably more important than the vote FOR biden?

I did not watch them. FWIW.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Even if Biden wins, Europe should seriously rethink their relationship with the U.S. We're teetering on the brink of fascism and that instability will not vaporize the day after the election. We can't be trusted (I mean, even less than ever before) and at the very least, sharing intelligence with the U.S. should be viewed as a high-risk action.

I think everyone on this side of the Atlantic has reached that sad conclusion. We'll have to work with the US, no matter who the president is, but I think everyone has for some time realised that the US isn't a particularly reliable ally.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

I think everyone on this side of the Atlantic has reached that sad conclusion. We'll have to work with the US, no matter who the president is, but I think everyone has for some time realised that the US isn't a particularly reliable ally.

Trump Eyes Bigger Trade War in Second Term

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

I expected better from The Guardian.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I expected better from The Guardian.

In what way? Unless you're suggesting they've invented the reactions of the various European political leaders they quote, do you say they shouldn't have reported them?

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

When Biden became president with Kamala Harris, many thought that mid term he would resign and let Harris take over. This probably would have been a good thing with the right VP. Question is if Harris is the right VP for that, or not.

 

[Dirran]

Five minutes in and Trump has won the debate. This is my worst nightmare: Biden is dazed, slow, not looking at the camera; Trump is forceful, dynamic and comes off so much stronger.

America is screwed.

In 1960 people who listened to the Nixon/Kennedy debate on radio thought Nixon had won by a mile. People who watched it on TV thought Kennedy had won.

In 2004 John Kerry did so well in the first debate against Bush that the usual media geniuses declared Bush could not possibly be re-elected. In 2012 Mitt Romney destroyed Obama in their first debate. The usual suspects in the media declared that Obama could not possibly be reelected and very serious people started suggesting he step aside.

Yesterday Biden had dreadful delivery. So what? His opponent lied continuously for 90 minutes and the resident geniuses from the media, who had not even queried an iota of Trump's lies, declared the issue was delivery, not dishonesty. And very serious people started suggesting Biden, like Bush and Obama, had to step aside.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

In 1960 people who listened to the Nixon/Kennedy debate on radio thought Nixon had won by a mile. People who watched it on TV thought Kennedy had won.

In 2004 John Kerry did so well in the first debate against Bush that the usual media geniuses declared Bush could not possibly be re-elected. In 2012 Mitt Romney destroyed Obama in their first debate. The usual suspects in the media declared that Obama could not possibly be reelected and very serious people started suggesting he step aside.

Yesterday Biden had dreadful delivery. So what? His opponent lied continuously for 90 minutes and the resident geniuses from the media, who had not even queried an iota of Trump's lies, declared the issue was delivery, not dishonesty. And very serious people started suggesting Biden, like Bush and Obama, had to step aside.

Hi there! It's been a while since a brand new member came in with a decent, non troll comment, so welcome!

And yes, if you continue to read the thread, people calmed down from initial bad reactions.

 

[Isabeau]

My brother, who doesn’t follow the day to day happenings of US politics, sent me a link of Jon Stewart’s debate analysis last night and said “Can you believe this? OMG Things are getting really crazy in the USA” and it made me laugh because I don’t think he’s ever sent me any links about us politics before.

Of course, I’d seen it already because someone here posted it, but I’m just mentioning it to show how it looks from outside the US, but also how Americans who may not really follow the pol news cycle are probably seeing it.

Can you imagine being young (20-30 yrs old) and watching politicians and the government from last 10 years? It’s all you know. And unless you take the time to really delve into it all, you just watch things like this. It must turn off a lot of people from politics.

Or maybe not. Maybe it will fire up younger voters. I just hope they turn up in droves and don’t let apathy win the next election.

 

[Khamon]

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

and just like that, Khamon had a new signature, for so many reasons

 

[Tirellia]

I think everyone on this side of the Atlantic has reached that sad conclusion. We'll have to work with the US, no matter who the president is, but I think everyone has for some time realised that the US isn't a particularly reliable ally.

Since Suez.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

It must turn off a lot of people from politics.

It worked on me, for sure. I had short patience with political bullshit already, but the R's lately have driven their party to the absolute limit of absurdity.

It's like they don't even know how anything is supposed to work.

 

[Soen Eber]

Fixed it for you

It's like they don't even care how anything is supposed to work.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

I think everyone on this side of the Atlantic has reached that sad conclusion. We'll have to work with the US, no matter who the president is, but I think everyone has for some time realised that the US isn't a particularly reliable ally.

It doesn't matter at the moment from a European perspective if 47 will be Trump or Biden. Any of both will continue putting America first, will continue the decoupling from PRC and create pressure on countries who dare to do otherwise.

The only difference would be that Trump will be open and direct about it, while Biden would put on a diplomatic face but execute it without mercy regardless.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

It doesn't matter at the moment from a European perspective if 47 will be Trump or Biden. Any of both will continue putting America first, will continue the decoupling from PRC and create pressure on countries who dare to do otherwise.

The only difference would be that Trump will be open and direct about it, while Biden would put on a diplomatic face but execute it without mercy regardless.

I'm considerably more worried about Trump's commitment to NATO than I am about Biden's.