2024 Presidential Debate

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Trump also killed at least about 500,000 Americans with the bad and malicious decisions he made before and during the pandemic. That number doesn't even include the women he's killing with his SCOTUS appointees or the deaths caused by his handling of natural disasters like Hurricane Maria.
 

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WSJ used to be a credible source. But they're as corrupted as SCOTUS right now.
They've always been corporate neoliberal anti-social hawks. Always pushing for pro-0.01% policies, budget cuts, layoffs and all. They're as credible as any fanatical Thatcherite.
 
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They've always been corporate neoliberal anti-social hawks. Always pushing for pro-0.01% policies, budget cuts, layoffs and all. They're as credible as any fanatical Thatcherite.
I agree with you here. I read it to spy on the enemy but they are very much the voice of rich white people who are utterly baffled by the needs and wants of the poors.

The nicest thing I can say about the WSJ is they at least maintain the pretense of trying to stick to the (cherry picked) facts. They won't usually brazenly make shit up like conservative talk radio does. This is why many conservatives will happily tell you they read the WSJ even though they often believe outlandish things claimed by more insane sources. I think it's also worth mentioning that total MAGA cultists don't like the WSJ that much since they are not crazy enough for them.
 

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They've always been corporate neoliberal anti-social hawks. Always pushing for pro-0.01% policies, budget cuts, layoffs and all. They're as credible as any fanatical Thatcherite.
I've read the WSJ for years. While you are correct about the corporatism, they also took pains to fact check their stories and try at least to APPEAR to be unbiased.

Not any more.
 
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I've read the WSJ for years. While you are correct about the corporatism, they also took pains to fact check their stories and try at least to APPEAR to be unbiased.

Not any more.
There are really two WSJ's with different sets of writers. There is the news and there is the "opinion." The opinion pages are basically like "Here is what some washed up, conservative rich old white person would think!" The news articles are sometimes okay, but I think the bias is seeping through.
 

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Nobody has answered the central question: "Who would replace him in July, months before the election!?"

It's a senseless argument the media is using to gen up panic and sell copy.

Biden, supported by his family, is going nowhere. And he can still beat Trump.
 

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And so it begins...

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) opened the proverbial floodgates of top Democrats calling for Joe Biden’s ouster from the 2024 presidential ticket on Tuesday, calling his mental fitness a “legitimate question.”

Her comments, in a lunchtime interview with MSNBC, came mere minutes before Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) became the first sitting Democratic lawmaker to call for Biden to bow out of the presidential race. He was quickly followed by Adam Frisch, a Democratic House candidate in Colorado, who echoed the call.

“I represent the heart of a congressional district once represented by Lyndon Johnson,” Doggett wrote in a statement. “Under very different circumstances, he made the painful decision to withdraw. President Biden should do the same.”

 

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Do I wish it were someone like Newsom? Yes, I do. After the debate performance, I was very very disappointed. Still, I support Biden. He needs to make one hell of an effort to get us over the finish line. Too much is at stake. We need unity, and we need a strong candidate to beat Trump, who is literally the fucking antichrist at this point. I am scared and angry as hell, and yes, I am mad at Biden too. Biden needs to calm the fears of people who were already concerned about his age and fitness.

Now with what the Supreme Court did, and this Project 2025 nightmare looming, we have to win. Everything is literally on the line. We are in a nightmare scenario here, and that is not hyperbole in the slightest.
 

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Asking a legitimate question about Biden's fitness v.s. calling for him to step down because of a media-hyped debate is not the same thing. Biden is currently running our Country as President. There is a reason we have a VP and his entire Cabinet full of capable people.

This election will not be just about Biden. It is about so much more. It is far easier for the media to drone on about old guy is old, rather than discuss the definition of Democracy and why we are slowly sliding off the cliff.

Also, since when did debate become a part of a President's requirements? Imagine you step up to have a serious debate in front of the American people and your opponent stands there only spouting lie after lie after lie, while the moderators "just let him do it". I honestly think Biden and his crew thought CNN would do more than just sit on their hands.

I get the Dems are a big tent party, but some people need to get back inside the damn tent. The last thing we need is more voter apathy. Vote like your life depends on it, because it does. So enthusiastically vote for Biden, or hold your nose and vote for Biden. People calling for Biden to step down are only sowing chaos and helping Trump.
 

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Do I wish it were someone like Newsom? Yes, I do. After the debate performance, I was very very disappointed. Still, I support Biden. He needs to make one hell of an effort to get us over the finish line. Too much is at stake. We need unity, and we need a strong candidate to beat Trump, who is literally the fucking antichrist at this point. I am scared and angry as hell, and yes, I am mad at Biden too. Biden needs to calm the fears of people who were already concerned about his age and fitness.
I'm continuously reminded that Joe has overcome plenty of adversity in his political life. At the beginning of 2016, he was a distant 3rd on the list of contenders. Yet he won convincingly because he got key supporters in the party to come on board.

He's older, hell yes. But he's also not a traitorous case of political syphilis like his opponent. That should count for everything, in my view.
 

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Fixed that for you.
The man was old when he started as president and has become very old now he wants to run for a second time.
He physically (and even a bit mentally) isn't the Joe Biden people wanted to be president years ago any longer.
That is how nature works, people get old, even the best ones. It is showing for a few years already, but too many Democrats denied for too long that this was happening IMHO.
The complaints about Biden's age are simply misdirection. They're distracting from the resl choice: Orange Mussolini or Old Joe. An avowed dictator and a more-normal guy with a heart.

But sure, let's dwell on things that are unimportant vs the very fate of our democracy
 

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I think there's a hidden, more insidious issue at play here. Joe Biden is old. If he is reelected and croaks during his term, we get our first black female president, and I think this is giving a lot of people the case of the vapors.
 

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The complaints about Biden's age are simply misdirection. They're distracting from the resl choice: Orange Mussolini or Old Joe. An avowed dictator and a more-normal guy with a heart.

But sure, let's dwell on things that are unimportant vs the very fate of our democracy
Yes, but the fact that, of the two alternatives, Biden is clearly infinitely preferable to Trump doesn't alter the fact that he's probably not the best candidate the Democrats could find if they put their minds to it, and were the Republicans and their candidate anything like the pre-2016 variety it would be no contest.
 
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