2024 Presidential Debate

[Beebo Brink]

Five minutes in and Trump has won the debate. This is my worst nightmare: Biden is dazed, slow, not looking at the camera; Trump is forceful, dynamic and comes off so much stronger.

America is screwed.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

This is so painful to watch. Trump is a collapsed dam of bullshit, nobody could stand in front of that deluge of sewage. Here's getting like 5x as many words out.

And Biden is just slowly mumbling disjont and confusing anecdotes.

Ffs. Our freedoms depend upon our voters holding our leadership accountable to our rule of law... If we vote in a man who has no respect for the law, whose party is actively attacking and undermining our democratic process, our entire concept of "freedom" will be dead and forgotten.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Democracy was a grand experiment, but it's difficult to sustain.

The irony is the Biden campaign WANTED the debate. What a mistake. Possibly a fatal mistake.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

Joe looked old and frail, and his speech was disjointed and monotoned. Trump, on the other hand, was a main dish of utter claptrap, repeating the same idiocy as always.

Just about everything DJT said was a drastic, ridiculous over-statement of his record. "The best in history", "the highest score ever". "I aced a cognitive test like nobody's ever seen." It was a clinical demonstration of runaway narcissism.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Trump put on the best performance of who he is. Biden put on the worst performance of who he is.

Most of us -- on either side -- will not change our minds on who we'll vote for come November, so the debates were not for decided voters. They were for the undecided, for the people who are just now tuning in to what the rest of us have been living for the past year. THOSE people are who Joe needed to wow, and he did not do that.

For an election that is so much closer than it has any right to be, this was a horrible misstep. There's little margin for campaign errors and this was a doozy.

 

[Caete]

The way I look at Biden's performance (or lack there of) is that since he has not garnered the nomination of the Democratic party, they now have an excuse to dump him for someone else. Had he performed like the drug cocktails and 4 monster energy drink enemas fiend he does for the state of the union and a few other rare appearances he may have gained footing for the nomination. So the big question now is who is next up to bat? Kamala? No one likes her and she can't even do the tasks assigned to her competently. Newsome? He's fucked California hard and the rest of the USA is set against him.

 

[Beebo Brink]

The way I look at Biden's performance (or lack there of) is that since he has not garnered the nomination of the Democratic party, they now have an excuse to dump him for someone else.

The million dollar question is who? Who could replace him and have a snowball's chance of winning?

The only candidate who comes close to Biden in terms of name recognition and expertise would be Hillary Clinton. Do we really want to go there again? I'm not sure I do.

 

[detrius]

The million dollar question is who? Who could replace him and have a snowball's chance of winning?

Uhm, Michelle Obama?

 

[Caete]

The million dollar question is who? Who could replace him and have a snowball's chance of winning?

The only candidate who comes close to Biden in terms of name recognition and expertise would be Hillary Clinton. Do we really want to go there again? I'm not sure I do.

Nah, Hillary is finished. The Clinton Global Initative has failed after she lost to Trump. They went from taking in hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign interests to tens of millions. No one wants to pay for access to a failure.
My money is on the Democrats trotting out Michelle Obama who has not really been in the public eye much. Hey, she's a woman AND black! DEI!! Also that idea is probably due to fail given how many black women politicians are in the news and under investigations for abuse of power and fraud and worse.

 

[Cristiano]

Democrats Privately Sound Alarm Bells About Joe Biden's Debate Performance

One strategist replied to HuffPost's questions with a photo of a coach tapping his arm to signal the need for a pitching change.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Cristiano]

Honestly, I feel sick. Trump lied with no pushback and Biden looked like a doddering old man. Biden needs to step aside. Newsom and Whitmer would be great, but Michele Obama would be the dream.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/06/27/biden-trump-first-presidential-debate/would-newsom-replace-biden-00165669

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

I felt nauseous watching that debate. I'm not sure which was worse: the nonstop deluge of bullshit spewing from Trump's mouth, or the feeble pushback from Biden.

To be fair, it didn't appear Biden was feeling well. His rough voice said as much.

I'm still standing by Joe, though. Anything else would be certain loss of our freedoms and democracy. There's another debate coming; he needs to knock that one out of the park.

I need a fucking drink.

 

[detrius]

Nah, Hillary is finished. The Clinton Global Initative has failed after she lost to Trump. They went from taking in hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign interests to tens of millions. No one wants to pay for access to a failure.
My money is on the Democrats trotting out Michelle Obama who has not really been in the public eye much. Hey, she's a woman AND black! DEI!! Also that idea is probably due to fail given how many black women politicians are in the news and under investigations for abuse of power and fraud and worse.

She hasn't been under investigation for anything, so that would just be guilt by (racist) association. I mean, Republicans probably can't tell black women apart, but those aren't the kind of people who'd vote for her anyway - nor should she court them.

 

[Mona Eberhardt]

Both are pro-Apartheid and pro-genocide; both allow a corrupt, far-right, foreign lobby to dictate US policy; both seek to silence, censor, marginalise, blacklist, and deplatform those who speak out against said lobby. In less "specialised" matters of foreign policy, both are ruinous for the entire planet. So, it's Nikolaos Plastiras vs Alexandros Papagos; Liz Truss vs Rishi Sunak; Tony Blair vs GW Bush.

A while ago, I warned that you all must brace for a second term of the Cheeto Nazi, and that it's all the corporate, establishment Democrats' fault, with their machinations against their progressive side, their bullying towards progressive voters "vote for us because we're the lesser evils or you'll be complicit in bringing Trump back," their coddling to the worst lobbies on their planet, their siding with the toxic cesspool known the GOP on several important matters - from KOSA to siding with the publishers' mafia on cases like Hachette v Internet Archive. To still think that Biden stands a chance is delusional.

To quote Axl Rose, "...there were always ample warnings, there were always subtle signs, and you would have seen it coming, but we gave you too much time."

 

[Mona Eberhardt]

For an election that is so much closer than it has any right to be, this was a horrible misstep. There's little margin for campaign errors and this was a doozy.

When your opponent is a far-right, neofascist party like the Republicans, it's wrong to say there's "little margin" for campaign errors. There's ZERO margin for any kind of error; from joining them on pro-censorship causes to competing with them for dark money doled out by far-right foreign lobbies, from persecuting Assange and forcing a plea deal on him that'll give Trump the tools to persecute ANY journalist he wants, from competing with the Republicans on who's more aggressively imperialistic to who will do more to appease the religious nuts. Mark my words: this unspinable, unrecoverable trainwreck of a debate is merely a symptom of the damage that the malignant tumour known as corporate Democrats have inflicted upon their party. Without aggressive therapy adapted from oncological textbooks, the party is toast, and so is the whole world.

 

[Sid]

Biden looked like a doddering old man

Because he has the age for that. It is not the first time that Biden looks feeble and unsteady.

Dems and Repubs both took a huge risk by letting these guys run.
They are both way over date to run for president.

The Orange Babboon came out better, from what I read over here in the press. (Debate was 3 in the morning in West European time).
But that still doesn't make him fit for this job either. Considering his inconsistent rantings during last years.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

When your opponent is a far-right, neofascist party like the Republicans, it's wrong to say there's "little margin" for campaign errors. There's ZERO margin for any kind of error; from joining them on pro-censorship causes to competing with them for dark money doled out by far-right foreign lobbies, from persecuting Assange and forcing a plea deal on him that'll give Trump the tools to persecute ANY journalist he wants, from competing with the Republicans on who's more aggressively imperialistic to who will do more to appease the religious nuts. Mark my words: this unspinable, unrecoverable trainwreck of a debate is merely a symptom of the damage that the malignant tumour known as corporate Democrats have inflicted upon their party. Without aggressive therapy adapted from oncological textbooks, the party is toast, and so is the whole world.

Progressives do a good job of sounding obvious alarms, but an awful one of presenting alternatives that regular democrat people could actually push for. The reason "corporate democrats" are so conservative is because US voters are conservative. Progressives like to pretend that the democrats could be so much more left if they only really wanted to be... Democrats tend do best with exciting, young, charismatic candidates who are still bland centrists deep down. Biden is of course only one of those things.

I agree Biden is finished. I'm not sure there are any options without him stepping down NOW (EDIT: as a candidate) and even then the party has to pivot rapidly behind someone else. It's a long shot at this point. I think my personal choice is Newsom. I think he's step in well if the party leadership asked him to, but it would require Biden to step down; which he likely will refuse to do.

 

[detrius]

I agree Biden is finished. I'm not sure there are any options without him stepping down NOW and even then the party has to pivot rapidly behind someone else. It's a long shot at this point. I think my personal choice is Newsom. I think he's step in well if the party leadership asked him to, but it would require Biden to step down; which he likely will refuse to do.

Do you mean stepping down as president or dropping out as a candidate?

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Do you mean stepping down as president or dropping out as a candidate?

As a candidate. I'm sure he'd finish out his term regardless.

 

[Sid]

Biden put on the worst performance of who he is. was.

Fixed that for you.
The man was old when he started as president and has become very old now he wants to run for a second time.
He physically (and even a bit mentally) isn't the Joe Biden people wanted to be president years ago any longer.
That is how nature works, people get old, even the best ones. It is showing for a few years already, but too many Democrats denied for too long that this was happening IMHO.