2020 U.S. Presidential elections

[Sid]

If the margin of error favors Biden:

This outcome would end Trumps plans to fight the outcome, before he even could start.

 

[Pamela]

Why did this idiot make a gay anthem his theme song?

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Why did this idiot make a gay anthem his theme song?

That has been a thing for a few weeks. As if his old, white man moves make him some kind of special. Like anything else with the Trump worship, I don't get it.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Evernote link because paywall

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Why did this idiot make a gay anthem his theme song?

The question considered at some length:

Donald Trump’s Reelection Campaign Is Total Camp

As the president shimmies to The Village People, he crystallizes the way that even sincerity and irony have become politically polarized.

www.theatlantic.com

Evernote link because paywall

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I've actually run some numbers. Sources Florida Early Voting Statistics

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/az-fl-pa-wi/bc6b622f38350414/full.pdf

I'm interested in Florida, because 1.) if Biden wins Florida, the race is over, 2.) Florida has a high early voter turnout, 3.) Party affiliation is in the stats.

9 million people in Florida have already voted representing 63% of registered voters. A good guess is that 90% of the registered voters will vote which represents about 12.6 million votes. 6.3 million are needed to win.

Florida will announce the early voting totals at 8PM EST assuming all the polls are closed, containing the early results.

Educated guess based on early voting numbers and New York Times polls puts the race at approximately:

Biden 4.23 million
Trump 3.79 million

Biden was always favored to win the early voting, so these results do not seem surprising.
So many people have voted early that 4 million is the upper limit of votes cast on November 3. While these 4 million will be mostly Republican, the best guess is that the max edge in these 4 million is Trump 55% to Biden 45%. Meaning the maximum Trump can make up is 400,000 votes.

So if Biden leads by more than 400,000 votes at 8 PM EST, Biden will win Florida and the Presidency. My above educated guesstimate has him leading by 440,000.

If Biden's lead is less than 400,000 it could be a long night.

Real quick, before I go to the next page.

Florida polls close at 7 in more than half the state, but at 8 est [7 cst] in the panhandle. That's why results start coming at 8 est instead of 7 like in a state like Georgia that's entirely est.

 

[Salome]

Why did this idiot make a gay anthem his theme song?

This is a phenomenon that isn’t unique to Trump, but has bugged me forever about stupid PWT gatherings. They just decide a song means something and then ignore what the lyrics actually say or what the artists actually intend. It’s like how they play Born In the USA and Fortunate Son at their flag-humping rallies despite the fact that those are not “I love America” songs. Or how their clueless daughters pick Every Breath You Take as wedding songs.

So Trump doing the domestic abuser old white fuck shuffle to one of the biggest gay anthems ever is right on brand.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

This is a phenomenon that isn’t unique to Trump, but has bugged me forever about stupid PWT gatherings. They just decide a song means something and then ignore what the lyrics actually say or what the artists actually intend. It’s like how they play Born In the USA and Fortunate Son at their flag-humping rallies despite the fact that those are not “I love America” songs. Or how their clueless daughters pick Every Breath You Take as wedding songs.

So Trump doing the domestic abuser old white fuck shuffle to one of the biggest gay anthems ever is right on brand.

OMG, you hit upon a rant of mine. Born in the USA is NOT a fucking anthem. Fortunate Son describes a Trump.

That the writers and singers of said songs hate them is nothing to them. They use them without permission and even double down when the artist balks. It is so disrespectful, but what I've come to expect of them.

Regarding taking a gay anthem, are you fucking kidding me? This man and his subordinates plan to take rights away from gay folks. I can't even with that shit.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Free]

I dunno. Queer theory tends to be pretty broad minded. Check the back catalog on pamphlets.

 

[Free]

Trump Camp Taunts Biden As He Visits Late Son's Grave On Election Day

As Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden visited the grave of his son Beau on Tuesday morning, Trump campaign national press...

talkingpointsmemo.com

As Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden visited the grave of his son Beau on Tuesday morning, Trump campaign national press secretary Hogan Gidley was asking if the nominee had “called a lid.”

The abrupt question smacked of insensitivity as Biden began Election Day by attending church with his wife Jill Biden and two of their granddaughters at St. Joseph on the Brandywine in Greenville, Delaware.

The Trump campaign has often invoked calling a “lid” — a term reporters use when a politician is done traveling for the day — as a way to mock Biden and paint him as a low energy candidate who rarely emerges from his “basement” to campaign.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I feel like I need to explain why I am so damn pessimistic. I have family and friends (those that I kept despite their 2016 vote out of familial ties) that fully intend to vote for him.

I cut off my own sister two months ago,, my very best friend in the world, despite having other best friends, she has always been my very best friend. We came to odds over this. The kicker is that she voted for HRC in 2016. For some fucking reason, she thinks Biden is a predator. She thinks that her suburb is going to be overrun. I tell her, "You've forgotten where you came from." You can imagine how well that went over. I tried to explain that I can NEVER see her the same way again, again to no avail.

So, well...I see all those public facing people who support Trump, but I also see all the quiet ones. It makes me incredibly sad on top of everything else we are facing.

ETA: I surpassed her long ago educationally, like in the 8th grade. She is super smart, just fell in love really early and school wasn't her priority and she dropped out. I remember going spending a day at her alternative school with her and I flew through all of their paperwork and she asked me.."How did you do that?" I dunno. I stayed in school? Didn't say that, of course. I love her. She had children and now grandkids and they are her life. Of course, I think that is fantastic for her. But, that lack of finishing her schooling makes her susceptible to the sophisticated type of propaganda we are seeing.

She never got around to 1984, I reckon.

 

[Pancake]

Jolene that kind of leads in to something I’ve been thinking about as I see Trump supporters on social media or interviewed on television or even, inexplicably, the letters to the editor in my local Canadian newspapers complaining about suppressing the Hunter Biden story. What becomes of them if/when Trump loses?

I believe Trump is a symptom in many ways, not the cause. Something is deeply flawed in some people’s lives, and perhaps always was, and while Trump empowered and emboldened many, I think he had a lot of fuel to work with and just had to fan it a bit. So what happens to those people? Do they go back underground, feeling and speaking and believing the same things but more careful about the audience while they wait for their next populist leader? Or will a loss embolden them further, serve as proof of all those dark angry feelings and beliefs they have?
Having seen this side of people, the gleeful willingness to reject facts and common decency alike, I don’t think this ends with Trump out of office.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

That has been a thing for a few weeks. As if his old, white man moves make him some kind of special. Like anything else with the Trump worship, I don't get it.

Trumps fogie-Hustle will never be as bad as "MC Rove". I'm not even going to post a video of that because it's probably cursed and you'll die five days after watching it or something.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Jolene that kind of leads in to something I’ve been thinking about as I see Trump supporters on social media or interviewed on television or even, inexplicably, the letters to the editor in my local Canadian newspapers complaining about suppressing the Hunter Biden story. What becomes of them if/when Trump loses?

I believe Trump is a symptom in many ways, not the cause. Something is deeply flawed in some people’s lives, and perhaps always was, and while Trump empowered and emboldened many, I think he had a lot of fuel to work with and just had to fan it a bit. So what happens to those people? Do they go back underground, feeling and speaking and believing the same things but more careful about the audience while they wait for their next populist leader? Or will a loss embolden them further, serve as proof of all those dark angry feelings and beliefs they have?
Having seen this side of people, the gleeful willingness to reject facts and common decency alike, I don’t think this ends with Trump out of office.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Jolene that kind of leads in to something I’ve been thinking about as I see Trump supporters on social media or interviewed on television or even, inexplicably, the letters to the editor in my local Canadian newspapers complaining about suppressing the Hunter Biden story. What becomes of them if/when Trump loses?

I believe Trump is a symptom in many ways, not the cause. Something is deeply flawed in some people’s lives, and perhaps always was, and while Trump empowered and emboldened many, I think he had a lot of fuel to work with and just had to fan it a bit. So what happens to those people? Do they go back underground, feeling and speaking and believing the same things but more careful about the audience while they wait for their next populist leader? Or will a loss embolden them further, serve as proof of all those dark angry feelings and beliefs they have?
Having seen this side of people, the gleeful willingness to reject facts and common decency alike, I don’t think this ends with Trump out of office.

To think about his more I am not the only one who rejected my sister's values? Her own daughters did, as well. She had 2 daughters when she was younger and one who just graduated and wants to go into Immigration Law. I don't know, but if she votes, and she can as she just turned 18 in August, will be a vote for Democrats. My sister said, "You all have turned against me. don't do that with my baby" I was like, what? We would never do that." Her youngest daughter, the super smart one who wants to go into immigration law is 1/2 latino. she has two mixed race grandchildren. I don't get it.

But the larger question that you posed, is what do we do with all of these folks, assuming a Biden win? I just don't know. Trump's presidency revealed all of the fault lines in America, showing that we are anything but a United States.

Would it be okay if they went back underground until the next populist whips them up? Probably not as they'll still have the same feelings. But, at the same time, I think that there is a certain percentage of the populuation who would ALWAYS support someone telling them that they are superior. I am beginning to believe they will always be with us as roughly the same percentage opposed mixed-race marriages back in the day. The numbers have not changed. Their fuel to power has.

What to do with that?

ETA: I think that many on the left just hoped that it would die out as people aged and young people replaced them. That's hasn't really proven to be the case. Racists people teach their children that and a whole new portion of a generation is born. We've seen a shit ton of young racist people in the last few years.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

With that, I'm off to the polls. Good luck everyone. I hope we can all have smiles on our faces in the near future. I hope that everyone that has been targeted can breathe a sigh of relief, because really when it comes down to it, that is what matters.

Peace and love to all.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Jolene that kind of leads in to something I’ve been thinking about as I see Trump supporters on social media or interviewed on television or even, inexplicably, the letters to the editor in my local Canadian newspapers complaining about suppressing the Hunter Biden story. What becomes of them if/when Trump loses?

I believe Trump is a symptom in many ways, not the cause. Something is deeply flawed in some people’s lives, and perhaps always was, and while Trump empowered and emboldened many, I think he had a lot of fuel to work with and just had to fan it a bit. So what happens to those people? Do they go back underground, feeling and speaking and believing the same things but more careful about the audience while they wait for their next populist leader? Or will a loss embolden them further, serve as proof of all those dark angry feelings and beliefs they have?
Having seen this side of people, the gleeful willingness to reject facts and common decency alike, I don’t think this ends with Trump out of office.

This article explores similar themes

'It's real fear': clash of two Americas could get worse before it gets better

The defining hallmarks of the Trump era have been division and divisiveness – female v male, Black v white, urban v rural – and have left Washington dysfunctional

www.theguardian.com

 

[Myradyl Muse]

I fervently wish that we had 'sociological' healing therapy sessions or groups. We have healing therapies, talk therapies, group therapies for individuals, and for groups challenged by mental illness, but this social phenomenon seems to be more a mob madness if you will. I do understand that much stems from individual grievance, pain, trauma, angst, loss, discrimination, and mistreatment by officials, but there is still that cacaphony of the mob, 'the madness of the many', the cultish groupthink persisting. As societies, we seem to have limited means to heal or address this, perhaps other than armed authorities quelling the unrest or people banding together to oppose it. I don't have a clear answer but very much wish I did, or that we work together to develop one.

 

[Salome]

Not sure where else to put this. Just a really moving Biden story. It will be nice to have empathy back.