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- Sep 22, 2018
- Underground in America
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I'm sure most of us here would have rather people coalesced around somebody else. Nobody is going to debate that. But the fact of the matter is, they chose Biden, so that's who we have. Your choices are now Biden or Trump. Grousing about it at this point serves no purpose other than to further divide us.Not going to argue with you there. But again... many people do not start paying attention to the race until after the primaries are over. That was me until well into my 30s. Expecting these people to show up was a failing strategy. And even so - if they'd coalesced around someone else, I wouldn't be nearly as incensed as I am about Biden. If they coalesced around Amy Klobuchar, this would have been a much easier pill to swallow.
What the fuck ever. You come in here insinuating that people are so easily influenced by Russians or Russian plants, and don't expect any pushback. I don't come here with the purpose of cutting down other voters. I usually save my ire for candidates but this stupid tactic of attacking VOTERS for their choices is not only dumb, but the real poison that prevents any kind of unity and is the greater danger to our democracy. Expecting people to just roll over and give up their votes for nothing is a bad thing, and should not be normalized.
They overwhelmingly chose Biden. Perhaps it was nostalgia for the Obama days, or the emotional need for a trusted father figure, who the fuck knows, but it was a clear win. And because I believe in the democratic process, I've accepted that who and what I want for this country is not a vision shared by the majority. It is what it is.But the fact of the matter is, they chose Biden, so that's who we have. Your choices are now Biden or Trump. Grousing about it at this point serves no purpose other than to further divide us.
Just as importantly, the next term (probably several) will be limited to re-building everything Trump tore down. And even that effort will be largely determined by the composition of Congress. If we don't take back the Senate, I'll settle for a stalemate in which no further damage can be done. Just the presidential appointments alone will be enough.I wish we could have had a more progressive nominee. And sexism played a major role in the primaries. But I can vote for Biden. Given what any president can do in this political climate, at least our expectations will be tempered to match reality. Despite the glaring flaws this pandemic has exposed to more people, too many of them are frightened for their lives and livelihoods to leap into the unknown. We need stability before major change.
You literally get your news from RT. You told us that. The fact that your posts often mirror Russian talking points doesn't help.What the fuck ever. You come in here insinuating that people are so easily influenced by Russians or Russian plants, and don't expect any pushback. I don't come here with the purpose of cutting down other voters. I usually save my ire for candidates but this stupid tactic of attacking VOTERS for their choices is not only dumb, but the real poison that prevents any kind of unity and is the greater danger to our democracy. Expecting people to just roll over and give up their votes for nothing is a bad thing, and should not be normalized.
Oh look, one of those who is constantly proclaiming that she would like to see more *civility* is personally attacking another user after said user made a general statement about the behavior of some others.You never struck me as particularly happy either, mostly angry.
I try not to tumble into too much despair because I know that’s the opposition’s goal. To discourage prople, convince them to throw away their votes, and stop trying. I try and think about how bad things were at different stages in the past and tell myself those people had to keep on trudging with many fewer resources, so the least I can do is keep trying.My dreams of a progressive America are pretty shredded by now. I don't think we have an educated, principled electorate that can support that vision anymore. All empires come to an end, and I think we've peaked and are sliding down the other side of that hill now. We can put on the brakes now and then, to slow our descent, but our glory days -- such as they were -- are over.
Several California defense attorneys said Friday that they would attempt to overturn criminal convictions that relied upon testimony from Tara Reade, the former Senate aide who accused Joe Biden of sexually assaulting her in 1993, because she may have provided false information under oath.During testimony in Monterey County court cases in which she was called as an expert on domestic violence, Reade said that she had received a bachelor's degree from Antioch University, had never taken the bar exam after graduating from law school and had been a legislative assistant in Biden’s office. Those claims have since been documented as false or been called into doubt in stories published since she made her accusation against Biden.
I don't see my perspective as despair. Whether I'm right or wrong about my view of things, it's rooted in attempt to understand and recognize trends in history. One can point to the end of the Roman Empire without being steeped in despair. It was a long process of decline, as I believe ours will be, just because that's the way ruling cycles tend to run. A sudden and total collapse is less likely (but always an option as well).I try not to tumble into too much despair because I know that’s the opposition’s goal.
When we stopped requiring Civics instruction in every classroom in the country, we set ourselves up for today, but even so the rot must have started earlier. Because that change required a generation of adults who no longer felt civics was a key value to instill in future generations. That lack of knowledge and understanding has turned our democracy into swiss cheese.Most people don’t understand the damage that has been happening across the board at all levels for the last couple years...
Pavlov would be jealous. Do you see Russians around every corner?You literally get your news from RT. You told us that. The fact that your posts often mirror Russian talking points doesn't help.
Yes, I understand. Sorry if it seemed like I was projecting that onto you. I was mostly speaking for myself in regards to the constant chicken little refrains I see displayed in social media. There is an agenda in play constantly trying to convince people things are so broken they can never be fixed and so it‘s hopeless to try.I don't see my perspective as despair.
The Right has always been well funded in all its attempts to control textbooks for as long as I’ve been alive, regardless of if that was about maintaining the myth of “state’s rights,” the attempts to reject evolution, or the watering down of civics. But I think the biggest push in my lifetime was during the Reagan era and the consumerization of children. It became more important to churn out consumers and obedient workers than educated citizens with an appreciation for civil service and social awareness.That lack of knowledge and understanding has turned our democracy into swiss cheese.
With our current form of representative democracy it is almost impossible to get a candidate or office-holder who is ideal for any given person. Members of Congress and the President/Vice President have to deal with every subject that comes up as federal business. The odds that their platform/actions will perfectly match your preferences across the board is nearly zero. The best we can hope for is someone will match you on the subjects that are most important to you. On top of that, with candidates you have no assurance that once in office they will do what they promised. For office-holders you at least have a record to go on.Like we all haven’t had to accept candidates that weren’t our ideal.