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Yes!

It isn't ideal and you only get the choice of well done but does work.

Lots of opening the microwave and flipping and microwaving and flipping and grease and flipping.
Steaks I like still mooing, but I won't eat a burger that isn't well done. Something about e coli or something.
 
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Steaks I like still mooing, but I won't eat a burger that isn't well done. Something about e coli or something.
As long as the temperature inside reaches 60C (140 F) for a short while, it doesn't matter if the meat is completely well done or still a bit rare.
That is the temperature where germs and bacteria die.
 

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It isn't ideal and you only get the choice of well done but does work.

Lots of opening the microwave and flipping and microwaving and flipping and grease and flipping.
You'll do anything to get out of washing a pan, won't you?
 
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As long as the temperature inside reaches 60C (140 F) for a short while, it doesn't matter if the meat is completely well done or still a bit rare.
That is the temperature where germs and bacteria die.

The usda says 160F for hamburger here but I read somewhere the critters die more easily in the Netherlands because of the calmer atmosphere there.
 

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The usda says 160F for hamburger here but I read somewhere the critters die more easily in the Netherlands because of the calmer atmosphere there.
Yeah, I think the 140F guideline is for unground beef cuts, since any bacteria is usually only on the exposed surfaces.
 

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Can now personally confirm that an Impossible Whopper from Burger King tastes 100% like a "real" beef Whopper, as best as I can tell. From now on if I want a BK hamburger I'll be getting this.
Thanks for being the guinea pig on that one. I may have to give it a try now. Now, you have to take on the Impossible Chicken at KFC.
 

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The plant based burgers are good for the environment. I've never seen a claim they are particularly good for you though.

Well they're not. The Impossible Whopper meat did not come from an actual animal, and "real meat" producers can and are arguing (including in the courts) that it shouldn't be allowed to be called "meat" at all; but, nutritionally it is identical to a real beef patty that did come from an actual animal. It contains the same protein, and also the same fat and roughly to the same amount of calories. So you don't want to eat Impossible meat burgers any more often than you'd eat regular meat burgers.
 
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Well they're not. The Impossible Whopper meat did not come from an actual animal, and "real meat" producers can and are arguing (including in the courts) that it shouldn't be allowed to be called "meat" at all; but, nutritionally it is identical to a real beef patty that did come from an actual animal. It contains the same protein, and also the same fat and roughly to the same amount of calories. So you don't want to eat Impossible meat burgers any more often than you'd eat regular meat burgers.
Someone in the comments pointed out that if you can get meat eaters to actually eat this, it might not be health food, but it would still help the planet.

I’m not completely aboard with the idea that cattle raising is the worst thing when plant agriculture uses so much water (whenever it’s being done in a dry climate).

But sometimes I just don't want meat. As it stands, good luck finding anything healthy in a low priced drive through restaurant. I’m sure “they” would tell us nobody wants healthy vegan food, but someone does. It’s hard to tell if it’s the consumers being stubborn, or the corporations being lazy.
 
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As far as "processing" goes.....my extremely hot take:

Companies like Whole Foods have made a fortune by tricking people into thinking that "processed" food is inherently bad, in the same way that they have convinced people that "chemicals" are inherently bad. But in reality, literally everything is a chemical - and in reality, literally all food is processed.

And I mean literally literally. Your body cannot use unprocessed food - so even if you insist on eating, say, raw vegetables, your body will just process them for you by grinding, macerating, and chemically treating them. The whole point of this is, your body doesn't want a fresh organic apricot; what it wants - for example - is a molecule of vitamin B3 (or C6H5NO2 if you wanna be nerdy), and it doesn't particularly care whether it came from an apricot or a can of tuna - it wouldn't be able to tell them apart in any case. The processing the tuna goes through doesn't change the B3 into something different from the B3 that came from the unprocessed apricot.

So I guess one obvious question is, if the body processes food already, why bother to do any kind of processing at all ahead of time? The answer is "because we can", because it doesn't necessarily harm the food, and because processing creates variety which makes food better. There are some foods we eat, like potatoes for instance, that most people can't (or won't) eat without some kind of processing - I mean at the very least you have to boil or bake them or something. Other kinds of food only exist as a processed version of something else - like cheese, which even in its most primitive, rudimentary form is highly processed milk with additives thrown in, which btw is what makes it so funny to me when people sneer about "processed" cheese compared to "natural" cheese. Just because it's bacteria that's doing the processing doesn't make it different or more "natural" - we add that bacteria to it in order to get the kind of cheese we want, there's nothing natural about it. Same thing with grain - we could just eat dry cut and rolled wheat, but that would kind of suck; a little bit of processing lets us eat bread instead. Even more processing gives us cookies and pasta noodles and ale, and OMG suddenly wheat is so much more awesome. Processing isn't inherently bad.

What you need to look out for isn't whether the food is "processed", it's what exactly is added. Additives and preservatives aren't inherently bad either, even if they have scary-sounding chemical names (which is again how places like Whole Foods have conditioned you to recognize "bad" additives); but some specific ones definitely aren't great. The biggest problem-additive by far is SUGAR.

ALL KINDS of sugar, not just HFCS - that's just the cheapest and most widely-used kind. Trust food scientists telling you you need to cut back on sugar; don't trust sugar growers that you need to replace HFCS with "natural cane sugar" or some other kind of sugar; it's no better.

Sugar shouldn't be bad for you - the body actually needs a certain amount of it. But so much of it is put in our food, and that's a problem because the body stores ALL sugar. You can eat an excess of, say, vitamin D - your body only needs so much of that too, but consuming more than that (as long as it's not so much that you're actually poisoned) is fine because your body just excretes what it can't immediately use. Not so with sugar - the body automatically stores sugar that it can't immediately use, like the world's most compulsive and self-destructive hoarder, and that adds up to bad news eventually.

That all that sugar is put into food isn't some big conspiracy to get us hooked, by the way. It's much simpler than that - sugar makes most things taste better to the body, so average people while blind taste-testing products will usually prefer the one that's got some sugar added; and food companies are fairly pragmatic, they will sell whatever people are buying. The good side of that is that if people stop buying or start demanding less sugar, food companies WILL change to accommodate that. They slowly are; even soda companies, whose original product could basically be called "sugar with some flavorant", have been making and marketing sugarless alternatives to match demand. The big enemy here is the corn-farming lobby, who will fight tooth-and-nail to preserve HFCS dominance, and to a lesser extent the sugarcane-farming lobby, who are keen on spinning the issue as a corn problem rather than a sugar problem and aim to profit from doing so.
 

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But sometimes I just don't want meat. As it stands, good luck finding anything healthy in a low priced drive through restaurant. I’m sure “they” would tell us nobody wants healthy vegan food, but someone does. It’s hard to tell if it’s the consumers being stubborn, or the corporations being lazy.
I agree with that - that vegans want healthy vegan food. Do you think they'd go to Burger King to get it though, even if they had it? I'm not so sure. McDonald's has had salads forever, but vegans won't go to McDonald's because it's McDonald's, and I don't see any other burger place doing any better along those lines. I think somebody would need to open up a brand new, totally unowned-by-any-of-those-other-guys strictly-vegan fast food place.
 
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As far as "processing" goes.....my extremely hot take:
Ooh Boy. There are a bunch of points I agree with, disagree with, not sure about in your post. I tried to write a coherent response in notepad++. I'm too toasted at the moment. Maybe tomorrow.