2020 U.S. Presidential elections

[Pamela]

My two cents about Joe: I mentioned several months ago in this forum that he is a good man and was ridiculed. But being a good man to me has to do with motivation. Joe is easy to criticize, for his contributions to bad legislation, his gaffes, his goofiness. He is no Obama — but who is? (And Obama isn’t perfect. He wasn’t born woke. He evolved.)

What matters most to me — and I think to most voters — is not perfect unerring judgment but motivation: Joe makes bad decisions sometimes, as do we all, but not out of greed or malice. His motivations are overwhelmingly good. And what this country needs above all is a good man, a man with a good heart, humble enough to lead a team of rivals. It is To Americans’ credit we have had the good sense to recognize that Joe Biden is that man.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

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NY is ostensibly a state that isn't actively attempting to take away voting rights. Now apply this to all of those that are actively working to curtail voting rights. Between Trump's planned invasion of cities, his replacement of the Postmaster General and McConnell offering $0 in election assistance funding, this is going to be another stolen election.

McConnell Accused of 'Doing Everything He Can to Suppress the Vote' by Proposing $0 in Election Assistance

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

One of these two things WILL happen to you. Choose one:

• President A will break your leg.
• President B will saw your leg off with a rusty hacksaw blade, laughing in your face as you die of sepsis.

Oh gosh, I don't know.... President A isn't really what I had in mind... there's really not that much difference between the two. I'll just let other people decide this outcome.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

One of these two things WILL happen to you. Choose one:

• President A will break your leg.
• President B will saw your leg off with a rusty hacksaw blade, laughing in your face as you die of sepsis.

Oh gosh, I don't know.... President A isn't really what I had in mind... there's really not that much difference between the two. I'll just let other people decide this outcome.

I liken it like this: You really really like mint-and-chocolate chip ice cream. You are given two choices:

Option 1 is a scoop of plain vanilla ice cream. Not bad, just not really what you wanted.

Option 2 is a scoop of sludge from the bottom of a slime-infested boggy marsh.

Choose wisely.

 

[Sid]

Option one is not pistachio, so I think I go for option 2 then, because I really wanted pistachio?
That is how more than 1/3 of the US still thinks about it.

 

[Pamela]

Lincoln and Churchill are to me the very best of leaders in the past millennium or so. But each had glaring flaws that would never pass the woke test today. They could never get elected, if held by today’s standards.

People who have lived long enough to be aware of how they have evolved, get that only those impervious to evolving, or The very young, think other people should be condemned for having evolved.

 

[Sid]

Churchill is at least somewhat controversial.
Certainly not the very best of leaders IMHO.
Of course he was at the wheel during WOII, that made him very popular, but he had some flaws.

Winston Churchill: How a flawed man became a great leader

Winston Churchill was a political giant despite his human failings, argues John Simpson.

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[Kamilah Hauptmann]

So much hand waiving in this thread

 

[Cindy Claveau]

So much hand waiving in this thread, it's like a jazz hands convention or something. You guys are campaigning harder for Biden than Biden will ever campaign for himself. You still aren't campaigning hard enough to beat libertarians for my vote, but wow... lots of reality deniers around here. You guys have fun with your segregationist Patriot Act author, I'm gonna vote for something else.

Then it's settled. You choose to be part of the enabler crowd who are willing to risk the future of this country on a dunderheaded crook because Joe makes you squint. Jeez.

One more thing on Biden. If you think he evolved so much, then how come his 'gaffes' are always in the same direction? There's the whole "you ain't black" thing, and now he said Trump is, "the first racist president."

Wow, talk about hand waving! Trump isn't the first racist President (we had a ton of them back in the 1800s through the 1970s), but you're also taking his "you ain't black" comment way out of context.

I can't imagine their candidate is as bad as Biden or Trump,

Maybe they can drag Gary Johnson back out for laughs. I actually enjoyed him because he was a bit goofy. Likable, but NOT the man to entrust with our security and health.

It's not so much Biden I'm voting for as the changes he will bring to the Presidency -- little things like respect, common sense, real SMARTS and a willingness to work with anyone who has real ideas on the country. I also expect him to name a POC VP to run with. I'm good with any of the names being mentioned.

I did not support Biden during the primary campaigns. He's not nearly progressive enough for me. I sent money to Warren and voted for her. But now that's not a choice. I will be voting BLUE because I think my country desperately needs some empathy, kindness and reality in its public policies. No more caged children! No more name-calling and politicizing! No more anti-science crap! No more Quid Pro Quo! No more insulting foreign leaders and even our own press when they ask sincere questions!

You're free to do as you wish, of course, but I have to say I'm disappointed whenever I hear anyone rationalize not voting against Trump. I shake my head and walk away. I don't consider your arguments to be remotely convincing. Just picky.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

Find one fucking speech by Biden using racist dog-whistles and/or praising neo-NAZIs. How many fucking times has Biden been sued for discrimination in employment or rentals? Biden is not the strongest voice against racism, but he worked closely with the first African-American president and with the Congressional Black Caucus.

He spent 8 years as a Black President's (yes I capitalized) second. To me, that says a lot.

Only one woman has alleged that he made any sexually inappropriate actions, and she has been less than credible.

That's putting it mildly. I followed that story and it started sounding more and more like she just made it up. I don't claim to know her motives, or even how credible her complaints are. But she certainly didn't convince me of anything.

Trump bragged that he aced the test to determine if a person is senile.

As one of his college professors said, "Donald was the dumbest goddam student I ever had!"

Saying they are the same or only slightly different is what the fucking Russian propaganda machine wants people to think to depress voting and give us if not more Trump, at least more disfunction.

This right here. Bingo. Thank you, Veri

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

He spent 8 years as a Black President's (yes I capitalized) second. To me, that says a lot.



That's putting it mildly. I followed that story and it started sounding more and more like she just made it up. I don't claim to know her motives, or even how credible her complaints are. But she certainly didn't convince me of anything.



As one of his college professors said, "Donald was the dumbest goddam student I ever had!"



This right here. Bingo. Thank you, Veri

So, I've heard she's got a thing for a certain Russian leader, and has waxed poetic about it on twitter? I don't know, just, well, she sounds troubled on a few levels.

 

[bubblesort]

My two cents about Joe: I mentioned several months ago in this forum that he is a good man and was ridiculed. But being a good man to me has to do with motivation. Joe is easy to criticize, for his contributions to bad legislation, his gaffes, his goofiness. He is no Obama — but who is? (And Obama isn’t perfect. He wasn’t born woke. He evolved.)

What matters most to me — and I think to most voters — is not perfect unerring judgment but motivation: Joe makes bad decisions sometimes, as do we all, but not out of greed or malice. His motivations are overwhelmingly good. And what this country needs above all is a good man, a man with a good heart, humble enough to lead a team of rivals. It is To Americans’ credit we have had the good sense to recognize that Joe Biden is that man.

LOL, Obama is not woke. The only time we've heard from him during this election was when he spoke up to stop Bernie from giving us single payer. Now we have the military in the streets of Portland and all we hear from him is crickets. That's about what you should expect from the president who signed the 2011 NDAA. Looks to me like he supports military action on American soil. If he doesn't, why doesn't he speak up?

And I think you are just delusional about Biden. Biden is a segregationist asshole.

 

[Shiloh Lyric]

 

[Free]

LOL, Obama is not woke. The only time we've heard from him during this election was when he spoke up to stop Bernie from giving us single payer.

Your savior is not running!

 

[danielravennest]

Saying they are the same or only slightly different is what the fucking Russian propaganda machine wants people to think to depress voting and give us if not more Trump, at least more disfunction. It is a tactic to shake confidence in liberal democracy and justify authoritarian rule. If you really belive this, you are a fucking idiot and a Russian pawn. Biden is not perfect, but he is not even close to Trump in any way.

I voted for Warren in the primary, but I would vote for the old mis-matched sock I use as a cleaning rag in the workshop over Trump, because even a vacant office would be better than the actively destructive person we have now. Biden, of course, is way better than my sock. He's been putting out relatively progressive plans recently, and if he picks a good VP, I'll be fairly happy given how national politics works. What I *really* want is to flip the Senate, including one of the two Senators from here in Georgia (one is retiring early for health reasons, which is why both are up this year). Having both the House & Senate means we can undo a lot of the damage of the last few years.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Option one is not pistachio, so I think I go for option 2 then, because I really wanted pistachio?
That is how more than 1/3 of the US still thinks about it.

Or they, like some people on this board, go for Option 3, knowing full well they'll get Option 2 instead.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

LOL, Obama is not woke. The only time we've heard from him during this election was when he spoke up to stop Bernie from giving us single payer. Now we have the military in the streets of Portland and all we hear from him is crickets. That's about what you should expect from the president who signed the 2011 NDAA. Looks to me like he supports military action on American soil. If he doesn't, why doesn't he speak up?

Exactly what are you expecting Obama to do? He's no longer the president. He served his terms with distinction. Not only would it be inappropriate for him to step in right now, I'm pretty certain the Constitution frowns on that.

And I think you are just delusional about Biden. Biden is a segregationist asshole.

Putting aside that steaming mound of bullshit for the moment, I ask you this question: Who do you want to win? Biden? Or Trump?

 

[bubblesort]

Exactly what are you expecting Obama to do? He's no longer the president. He served his terms with distinction. Not only would it be inappropriate for him to step in right now, I'm pretty certain the Constitution frowns on that.

The constitution says nothing of the sort. He stepped in then and won't step in now because he views healthcare as a human right as more of a threat than American soldiers occupying Portland.

Putting aside that steaming mound of bullshit for the moment, I ask you this question: Who do you want to win? Biden? Or Trump?

 

[Pancake]

I’ve sacrificed my principles more than once in my life for practical realities. Is that weird?

 

[Pancake]

And as an outsider looking in, it seems to me if Obama steps up to speak about anything from the federal agents to Covid, it is going to backfire, no? There appears to be an irrational hatred of Obama in some circles, why invigorate them or give them more motivation?

He has no power, and although a moving speaker, he’s not going to change a single mind.

Better off getting a NASCAR driver to speak up