What's next for Windows?

[Clara D.]

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Yeah, it said that about my system (bought last year) too. Coffee Lake CPU i7 8700k 4.7GHz.
So I went into my BIOS, and I saw that TPM can be enabled, but it also said "no security device found" which means I need the module. Fortunately my custom PC comes with lifetime tech support, so I just have to touch base with the guy who built it.
All I want to know is that I'll be able to run it at some point, and it looks like I will. The TPM module for my mobo is cheap, too, but Newegg is sold out of it "due to high demand" (gee, I wonder why? ).
Did your BIOS not have the page for it?

That's a gen 8 cpu, should have it built in

Proper bios support is another hurdle...

 

[Romana]

That's a gen 8 cpu, should have it built in

Proper bios support is another hurdle...

I kind of figured that when I read your post. There might be an updated BIOS (haven't checked) but that would have to wait for a day when I knew I could get the guy on the phone so I don't mess it up.
Or there may be a setting on another page that needs tweaking. The mobo manual is far from informative.

 

[Romana]

It's a BIOS setting, alright.

“Almost every CPU in the last 5-7 years has a TPM,” explains David Weston, director of enterprise and OS security at Microsoft. Weston is recommending that Windows 10 users failing Microsoft’s Windows 11 upgrade checker requirements should ensure BIOS options for “PTT” on Intel systems are enabled, or “PSP fTPM” on AMD devices. As every BIOS has different settings, you might need to refer to your laptop’s manual if you’re struggling to find the option.

Windows 11 is free, but your CPU might not be officially supported

TPM and CPU changes have led to some confusion.

www.theverge.com

I looked for that setting and found it, currently disabled, so that's why it "failed" the health check.
So it looks like for now I can relax; unless Winderp throws another spanner in the works.

 

[Clara D.]

It's a BIOS setting, alright.

Windows 11 is free, but your CPU might not be officially supported

TPM and CPU changes have led to some confusion.

www.theverge.com

I looked for that setting and found it, currently disabled, so that's why it "failed" the health check.
So it looks like for now I can relax; unless Winderp throws another spanner in the works.

On my computer it was "Security Chip."

I see this all becoming a tech support nightmare.

And i have four years to get a vaguely new computer if i want to stay in the loop on Windows shenanigans. Worst part will be giving up the lovely semi-mechanical 7-row keyboard. And the ThinkLight.

 

[Marita]

And they say ... "Microsoft is also requiring a front-facing camera for all Windows 11 devices except desktop PCs from January 2023 onwards. "

So my laptop will no longer need Dual Boot , I'll be able to remove one of the systems in a few years.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Aww, Microsoft doesn't like my 5yo Intel Atom.

 

[Caete]

Yeah, it said that about my system (bought last year) too. Coffee Lake CPU i7 8700k 4.7GHz.
So I went into my BIOS, and I saw that TPM can be enabled, but it also said "no security device found" which means I need the module. Fortunately my custom PC comes with lifetime tech support, so I just have to touch base with the guy who built it.
All I want to know is that I'll be able to run it at some point, and it looks like I will. The TPM module for my mobo is cheap, too, but Newegg is sold out of it "due to high demand" (gee, I wonder why? ).
Did your BIOS not have the page for it?

It has nothing to do with my BIOS, Win11 does not like my CPU which sounds like to me that MS has their thumbs up their backsides.

Its like those video games that want to put your settings on potato because their "detection routines" don't recognize your video card and only the most recent ones and the few ancient ones in their "test environment" despite when you change everything to ultra and it runs perfect and looks awesome.

 

[Clara D.]

It has nothing to do with my BIOS, Win11 does not like my CPU which sounds like to me that MS has their thumbs up their backsides.

Its like those video games that want to put your settings on potato because their "detection routines" don't recognize your video card and only the most recent ones and the few ancient ones in their "test environment" despite when you change everything to ultra and it runs perfect and looks awesome.

Eh, yellow isn't a NOPE.

Unless you got a NOPE from the M$ 'health check.' Then there's definitely some thumbassery going on.

 

[Caete]

Eh, yellow isn't a NOPE.

Unless you got a NOPE from the M$ 'health check.' Then there's definitely some thumbassery going on.

lol@health check. Quite telling as they are not calling it a compatibility check.

 

[Free]

Windows 11 will be able to sideload Android apps

A Microsoft engineer says you’ll be able to load APKs.

www.theverge.com

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

My 5 year old 4 core Atom is not 31337 enough for Windows 11.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Aww, Microsoft doesn't like my 5yo Intel Atom.

HAHAHA sucks to be you and me

 

[Romana]

I ran Windows 10 on my old laptop which wasn't supposed to be able to run it. Couldn't do that with Studies 11, because of the TPM requirement. I'm guessing Windows 11 would run fine on your PC, unless it runs a "health check" before install and nopes you.
From what I've seen so far, the question is whether you'll want to bother.with it. I'm not sure I will til I have to, at this point in time. Since my PC is so new, though,I just wanted to know that is be able to if I wanted.
My CPU is the lowest rung on the official list, which is really something.

 

[Noodles]

Maybe it needs enabled in the bios, but I just checked my month old $2500 kick ass gaming PC and it says it's not compatible because of TPM.

 

[Clara D.]

lol@health check. Quite telling as they are not calling it a compatibility check.

Whereas my 10 year old 2nd gen processor is a-okay (I fail for other reasons).

MiniSquish wants to make W11 release as much of a clusterfuck as possible!

 

[Romana]

Maybe it needs enabled in the bios, but I just checked my month old $2500 kick ass gaming PC and it says it's not compatible because of TPM.

Check the manual? I mean, my manual doesn't say much, buy it for tell me the tab was there. When I looked, I saw the PTT setting (and left it disabled, at least for now).

 

[danielravennest]

The requirement for TPM would seem to be a major hurdle, none of my desktops have a module installed, not sure about the laptop.

I have learned over the past day that most CPUs made in the last 5 years or so have a TPM unit built in (although Intel and AMD call them different things), and there is often a BIOS setting to turn it on. I'm wary of messing with the BIOS on this PC because its the one I use every day for work. So at this point I'm minded to stay on Win10 until it reaches end of life or wait for Microsoft to straighten out this issue.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

So I ran Microsoft's Windows 11 "health check app" and it told me I can't install it.

This is an 18 month old high-end system ( ASUS PRIME X570‐P motherboard / AMD RYZEN 7 3800X 8 core processor / 16 GB RAM). If I can't run it, who can?

Apparently the presence, and function, of a TPM chip is mandatory for installing and running Windows 11.

It also requires Secure Boot be enabled in the BIOS. This may not bode well for some of us who dual-boot with Linux.

 

[Noodles]

I will dig in a bit more because the bios on this thing is kind of funky. I went in for the first time to check for the setting but could not find it. It even has a search feature that found nothing for TMP or "Trusted watever is was Platform".

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

they want us to update and they make it free but make it incompatible with most currently active computers?

people bought alot of computers at the start of the pandemic. They are not gona rush out to get another one. They will have to fix this or people won't switch over. The End goal and the current market does not line up in my opinion

Not sure if this has been brought up already, since I'm apparently further behind in this thread than I thought, but...

Microsoft makes no money allowing for free upgrades to their latest OS. I think the only reason they did it for 10 was to lure as many people as they could onto the new OS (plus also avoid the problems with people holding out until their current Windows 7 or XP installs rot), and they're extending it to Windows 11, but with significant hardware limitations, which brings me to:

Microsoft makes most of the money in the OS market selling Windows bundled with new PCs. By severely tightening the hardware requirements and limiting what currently-in-use hardware can run it, it will (in theory) drive large numbers of people to have to buy new equipment, and thus pay for new Windows installations.