US Election Day 2020

[Cindy Claveau]

So...even if Biden pulls this off, he will have a McConnell led Senate that won't let him do anything. Correct?

On paper, yes. I don't know what the leanings are of new Senators, or whether someone like Mitt would still cross over in some cases. Theoretically we'll have another shot at the Senate in 2 years if we can hold up that long.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

As has been stated before in some thread:
US politics in general has become such a competitive, Us-VS-Them, Team-VS-Team, Army-VS-Army sport/battle/competition/totalwar that it does not matter if your side is doing good things or not. It does not matter that Trump is incompetent or a liar or whatever.

And I dare say this would also go the other way around: If the Republicans had put up a wonderful and competent candidate with a sane plan and political brilliance - you'd find most Democrats still not suddenly voting Republican, even if their own candidate was horrible. Simply because "You don't vote Rep"

It's not about winning.
All that matters to most is that the other side loses.


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Yes and no. Republicans have led us down some very bad paths..Iraq, anyone? Tax cuts for the uber-wealthy while cutting social services to the poor. Lies, lies and more lies...again, Iraq. Waterboarding. Support of civilian killing cops. These are just a few things off the top of my head.

We don't just not vote Republican because they are the "other" side. We do it out of conviction. For me, that involves my faith as well.

 

[Sredni Eel]

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

So...even if Biden pulls this off, he will have a McConnell led Senate that won't let him do anything. Correct?

Afraid so.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

Yes and no. Republicans have led us down some very bad paths..Iraq, anyone? Tax cuts for the uber-wealthy while cutting social services to the poor. Lies, lies and more lies...again, Iraq. Waterboarding. Support of civilian killing cops. These are just a few things off the top of my head.

We don't just not vote Republican because they are the "other" side. We do it out of conviction.

What's it say that, when i think of the sins of the Right, the Iraq war has fallen way down the list? Immigration, health care and minority rights are #1-3 with bullets.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

What's it say that, when i think of the sins of the Right, the Iraq war has fallen way down the list? Immigration, health care and minority rights are #1-3 with bullets.

Yeah, I wasn't even looking at the Trump presidency, trying to maintain a balance of why we vote against Republicans. Trump is so far off the charts, being a mad man that everything he does is bad.

 

[bubblesort]

So...even if Biden pulls this off, he will have a McConnell led Senate that won't let him do anything. Correct?

Yeah, don't worry, the neoliberal plans are still fully in tact. That lame old Republicans-are-so-mean excuse still works on most voters. IDK why it works, but it does.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I actually started thinking Trump would at the very least do a lot better than projected, and he might actually win again based on what I was seeing on Twitter yesterday. I saw a lot of people who normally would have voted Democrat saying they held their noses and voted Trump - and why, but I'm not going to say because I don't want to get dog piled.

Spawn said, "LOL - of course the polls were wrong. They only poll in the cities and being an open Republican in the cities is a good way to get harassed or assaulted."

This snarkiness is about what I expected of you.

Try being gay or black in rural America.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Yeah, don't worry, the neoliberal plans are still fully in tact. That lame old Republicans-are-so-mean excuse still works on most voters. IDK why it works, but it does.

Well, they aren't just mean, they're fucking evil. How's that for ya? Republicans lead and people die. Doesn't get much more evil than that.

 

[bubblesort]

As has been stated before in some thread:
US politics in general has become such a competitive, Us-VS-Them, Team-VS-Team, Army-VS-Army sport/battle/competition/totalwar that it does not matter if your side is doing good things or not. It does not matter that Trump is incompetent or a liar or whatever.

And I dare say this would also go the other way around: If the Republicans had put up a wonderful and competent candidate with a sane plan and political brilliance - you'd find most Democrats still not suddenly voting Republican, even if their own candidate was horrible. Simply because "You don't vote Rep"

It's not about winning.
All that matters to most is that the other side loses.


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Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser!

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

So...even if Biden pulls this off, he will have a McConnell led Senate that won't let him do anything. Correct?

It might be more like it was in 2016 - but iirc, one of the Georgia seats is down to a run off, which is freaking amazing.... I don't have the heart to dig deeper, but last I looked the seats were dead even split - the +2 being the two progressive indie senators from New England

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser!

Sure they will. We have Trump, don't we?

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

 

[Chalice Yao]

The Trump campaign is desperately fundraising the day after the election for resources to wage legal battles against election results, something he highlighted as he sowed doubt in election results over the past few months.
The campaign has sent out six emails to supporters since midnight asking for money. Each of the solicitations has included the false claim that Democrats are trying to “steal” the election.
There is no evidence of nefarious activity surrounding the election count.
At a rally in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on the eve of Election Day, Trump said campaign lawyers “will be going in and they’ll be fighting.”

Because of course they will be trying to legally fight the result if they lose. Not based on evidence or suspicions, but principle.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Ordering one up, stat.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I was thinking. okay, so if Biden wins and cannot get anything past the Senate, we STILL will have a man in office who won't deliberately pursue harming others. He can begin to undo the damage done to out various agencies. Toss out the Trump cronies who are robbing us blind and replace them with people that actually do want to serve the public.

Hell, even tossing DeVos out on her ear would be satisfying.

That doesn't even count DHS and the immigration policy. Stephen Miller, ALL of the Trump family; gone, baby, gone.

So...all is not lost, assuming a Biden win.

 

[Pancake]

I just read that the republican candidate who won his seat for State Legislature in North Dakota actually died in October of Covid.

I know I'm wrong to laugh, but what else can you do.

 

[Beebo Brink]

It's not about winning.
All that matters to most is that the other side loses.

I'm tired of hearing this knee-jerk Both Sides fallacy. And it's just that: a fallacy.

Republican and Democratic party members have very different mindsets and goals. For all our faults on the Dem side, we don't respond to authoritarian strong men, whereas Republicans do. Trump -- who has never had any specific party affiliation -- is running as a Republican because those voters respond to his whiny, petulant Aggrieved White Man persona, whereas Democrats largely do not. If party affiliation was simply a neutral choice, a flip of the coin, then Trump could have run as a Democrat and done as well, but he didn't. The closest candidate to Trump on the Dem party side was Bloomberg and he got nowhere with his presidential bid. Because Democrats don't like that shit.

If by some ugly twist of fate Trump had run as the Democratic nominee, I'd hold my nose and vote for someone like Romney or Kasich, even -- God help me -- Ted Cruz. Because policy, competence and character matter to me, and Trump has always been a delusional grifter of jaw-dropping incompetence. He's completely unfit for office, regardless of party affiliation. I will vote country over party every time, but as has become glaringly obvious, most Republicans will not.

 

[bubblesort]

I just read that the republican candidate who won his seat for State Legislature in North Dakota actually died in October of Covid.

I know I'm wrong to laugh, but what else can you do.

That's just the new republican strategy of installing undead ghouls across all levels of government.

His opponent will never live that down. He won the office, but now he will always be known as the guy who lost to a dead man, LOL