The Russia-Ukraine War has begun

[Innula Zenovka]

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[Govi]

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Olshansky has that sick dead-eyed look that is visible in photos of Himmler and Goebbels.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Olshansky has that sick dead-eyed look that is visible in photos of Himmler and Goebbels.

And Stephen Miller, and Damien.. I mean Jared Kuschner both have.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

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I feel like there was an acknowledgment that Azov has a sometimes troubling past with the nationislism, but also sounds like they are willing to die to keep this from spreading west, and try and defend their people - And you know, even if I wouldn't agree with their politics [I don't know enough to say], they are brave.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I feel like there was an acknowledgment that Azov has a sometimes troubling past with the nationislism, but also sounds like they are willing to die to keep this from spreading west, and try and defend their people - And you know, even if I wouldn't agree with their politics [I don't know enough to say], they are brave.

I've posted this before in the thread but, for what it's worth, the BBC's Ross Atkins says they've changed a lot since they ceased to be an independent militia and were adopted into the Ukrainian national guard

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I feel like there was an acknowledgment that Azov has a sometimes troubling past with the nationislism, but also sounds like they are willing to die to keep this from spreading west, and try and defend their people - And you know, even if I wouldn't agree with their politics [I don't know enough to say], they are brave.

I agree. The downside to ultra nationalists is they may be willing to fight for their country when it wasn't necessary at all. But the upside to them is they are often willing to fight when it IS necessary. And it's not like Putin is any less of an ultra nationalist than anyone in Ukraine.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Jill Biden has made a surprise visit to Ukraine, and met the wife of its president, Olena Zelenska. It's being suspected that Joe Biden is unable to visit Ukraine at the moment due to security restrictions.

Jill Biden pays surprise visit to Ukraine, meets first lady

Biden spent two hours in Ukraine, traveling by vehicle to the town of Uzhhorod, near a Slovakian village where she had toured a border processing facility.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I agree. The downside to ultra nationalists is they may be willing to fight for their country when it wasn't necessary at all. But the upside to them is they are often willing to fight when it IS necessary. And it's not like Putin is any less of an ultra nationalist than anyone in Ukraine.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Viewpoint: Putin now faces only different kinds of defeat

Russia's Victory Day parade won't represent any sort of victory over Ukraine, writes defence analyst Michael Clarke.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Govi]

The Ukrainians are rebuilding as fast as they can. It seems that Putin has miscalculated far more than the tactics of his war against Ukrainians. He is putting them through a fire that will harden them more than ever into the nation they have envisioned. Had he merely let things remain peaceful between Russia and Ukraine, both would have integrated in a very natural way. The only way Putin can win this war now is to pulverize Ukraine, which he is trying to do centimeter by centimeter.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

 

[Sid]

I don't think the Russian pilots have trained the parade and air show routines lately.

 

[Free]

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

What really happened at Putin's parade.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Very interesting thread.

I think it reinforces how important it is that sanctions against Russia aren't relaxed with Ukraine's approval

 

[danielravennest]

I feel like there was an acknowledgment that Azov has a sometimes troubling past with the nationislism, but also sounds like they are willing to die to keep this from spreading west, and try and defend their people - And you know, even if I wouldn't agree with their politics [I don't know enough to say], they are brave.

What they are doing is keeping part of the Russian forces occupied trying to break into the plant, which means they can't attack less fortified places. Strategically it has been a great move.

This plant used to produce millions of tons of steel a year. So by its nature it is very heavily built. It likely had lots of steel inventory sitting around when the Russians invaded. So it would not have been hard to set up barriers, making it hard for invaders to get in, or add protection to the existing tunnels and bunkers.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

What they are doing is keeping part of the Russian forces occupied trying to break into the plant, which means they can't attack less fortified places. Strategically it has been a great move.

This plant used to produce millions of tons of steel a year. So by its nature it is very heavily built. It likely had lots of steel inventory sitting around when the Russians invaded. So it would not have been hard to set up barriers, making it hard for invaders to get in, or add protection to the existing tunnels and bunkers.

Oh, no, I get that. I mean, from a gamer geek pov, letting the Russians venture into the tunnels makes it easier to take them out - I was talking about the talking points, and the fact they are holding their ground to try and protect their home and the civilians.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

What they are doing is keeping part of the Russian forces occupied trying to break into the plant, which means they can't attack less fortified places. Strategically it has been a great move.

This plant used to produce millions of tons of steel a year. So by its nature it is very heavily built. It likely had lots of steel inventory sitting around when the Russians invaded. So it would not have been hard to set up barriers, making it hard for invaders to get in, or add protection to the existing tunnels and bunkers.

I think I remember reading that the site houses a complex of nuclear bunkers, dating from the Soviet era (and constructed with the battle for the Stalingrad iron and steel plant in recent memory), so it's going to be close to impregnable.