The 2024 U.S. Presidential race

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I don’t even have words for how fucking awful that nazi rally was in NYC. How is this happening?
I take solice in the realization that, as more voters become better informed on DJT, the bigger he loses.

That rally should come as NO surprise to anyone familiar with Trump's past. He still thinks the Central Park 5 are guilty. He's still the racist prick who refused to rent to minorities in NYC and has based his entire Presidential campaign on xenophobic hate. He calls black MAGA people "My Blacks".

The biggest surprise - or maybe not - is that they're calling this race "tied" after all the utter crap that has oozed out of DJT's mouth - not just for the past year, but the PAST 30 YEARS!!

My optimal outcome of this whole mess would be that the pollsters missed something major and Kamala wins in a walk through.

My least optimal outcome? Take a guess. It's wearing orange makeup and a clown wig.
 

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I don't vote and have explained why ad-nauseum. I don't know what a swing state is. I don't know if Cali is a swing state.
California is not a swing state. Swing states are states that could go Democratic or Republican -- California is pretty solidly Democratic, despite those suppurating pustules of redneck malice that are the Central Valley (where I grew up), Orange County, and parts of San Diego.

Imnotgoing Sideways: Immy, please know that despite your unwillingness to cast a vote for "the good guys" (because it is obvious that's the side you're on), I think it is safe to say we still are fond of you, and, in the end, we recognize that that's both your choice and your perfect right.
 
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Trump: Blathers racist rhetoric and commits overtly racist acts for decades, then holds a rally in NYC an hour-and-a-half before the election.

Press: HOLY SHIT! STOP THE PRESSES! THIS GUY MIGHT BE KINDA RACIST!:facepalm:
 

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This is somewhat unnerving

It is particularly so because, as a British commentator I follow remarked today, Trump and the Republicans aren't behaving like a campaign that thinks it's going to win. If you think you're winning, you don't tell your supporters that it's in the bag. On the contrary, you tell them that it's neck and neck, and they've got to make every effort to get to the polls and to encourage others to vote, because otherwise you risk their feeling comfortable with staying at home and not bothering to turn out.

In our recent general election, where Labour clearly was going to flatten the Conservatives, it's thought this effect cost Labour 10 or so seats, precisely because, no matter how much they warned people that it was neck and neck, it clearly wasn't, so people who weren't particularly enthused about Keir Starmer's Labour felt safe either not voting or voting Green or Independent, since everyone knew the result was a foregone conclusion.

Trump and his minions, however, are telling people it's all over bar the shouting and are getting into the minutiae of who they're going to appoint to what role.

It strengthens my fear that they've given up on the ballot box and, instead, when they don't, in fact, win by a landslide, their supporters are all the more fired up to believe it was all rigged, and all the more prepared to lynch Mike Johnson if he doesn't go along with whatever electoral and constitutional shenanigans Trump's lawyers have planned this time round.
 
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Wildly speculating here, (and not that it matters in any way other than possible malign setup for him to show his 'huge' crowd, because the hate and racism is still the hate and racism), but seriously, is anyone checking what proportion of that sickly supremacist crowd was in reality from New York?

To me, with his track record, it does not beggar belief that many were paid, put on buses and trains from all over the country, to fill more seats. I wonder if any investigative reporter is looking into that possibility.
 

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This is somewhat unnerving

It is particularly so because, as a British commentator I follow remarked today, Trump and the Republicans aren't behaving like a campaign that thinks it's going to win. If you think you're winning, you don't tell your supporters that it's in the bag. On the contrary, you tell them that it's neck and neck, and they've got to make every effort to get to polls and to encourage others to vote, because otherwise you risk their feeling comfortable with staying and home and not bothering to turn out.

In our recent general election, where Labour clearly was going to flatten the Conservatives, it's thought this effect cost Labour 10 or so seats, precisely because, no matter how much they warned people that it was neck and neck, it clearly wasn't, so people who weren't particularly enthused about Keir Starmer's Labour felt safe either not voting or voting Green or Independent, since everyone knew the result was a foregone conclusion.

Trump and his minions, however, are telling people it's all over bar the shouting and are getting into the minutiae of whom they're going to appoint to what role.

It strengthens my fear that they've given up on the ballot box and, instead, when they don't, in fact, win by a landslide, their supporters are all the more fired up to believe it was all rigged, and all the more prepared to lynch Mike Johnson if he doesn't go along with whatever electoral and constitutional shenanigans Trump's lawyers have planned this time round.
Is it possible that they've engineered some nefarious cheating vote mechanism behind the scenes that makes them certain of a win? Thankfully that would not seem feasible to work in reality, but I don't put anything past this bunch.
 

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Trump: Blathers racist rhetoric and commits overtly racist acts for decades, then holds a rally in NYC an hour-and-a-half before the election.

Press: HOLY SHIT! STOP THE PRESSES! THIS GUY MIGHT BE KINDA RACIST!:facepalm:
This was the substance of my laughing fit this morning. NOW you f*ers wake up and smell the coffee!? NOW!?!?

We wouldn't be in this situation if the Media billionaires weren't running cover for Donnie. THEY will be the cause of our fall, not some simpleton in makeup.
 

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This is somewhat unnerving

It is particularly so because, as a British commentator I follow remarked today, Trump and the Republicans aren't behaving like a campaign that thinks it's going to win. If you think you're winning, you don't tell your supporters that it's in the bag. On the contrary, you tell them that it's neck and neck, and they've got to make every effort to get to polls and to encourage others to vote, because otherwise you risk their feeling comfortable with staying and home and not bothering to turn out.

In our recent general election, where Labour clearly was going to flatten the Conservatives, it's thought this effect cost Labour 10 or so seats, precisely because, no matter how much they warned people that it was neck and neck, it clearly wasn't, so people who weren't particularly enthused about Keir Starmer's Labour felt safe either not voting or voting Green or Independent, since everyone knew the result was a foregone conclusion.

Trump and his minions, however, are telling people it's all over bar the shouting and are getting into the minutiae of whom they're going to appoint to what role.

It strengthens my fear that they've given up on the ballot box and, instead, when they don't, in fact, win by a landslide, their supporters are all the more fired up to believe it was all rigged, and all the more prepared to lynch Mike Johnson if he doesn't go along with whatever electoral and constitutional shenanigans Trump's lawyers have planned this time round.
Trump sounds like he and his minions in Congress are again planning to block the House from certifying the election and passing the vote back to the state legislatures.