WTF Sh*t's F*cked Up and Bullsh*t - a "Who Cares" thread for news

[Argent Stonecutter]

Isn't there this Catholic thing about "virtuous innocents" getting a second chance at accepting Jesus after death. Like Dante had a whole circle outside Hell for them?

 

[Grandma Bates]

Ugh. People who cannot even be bothered to read the Bible and then make proclamations about the Lord's intentions should not be allowed out to see the light of day. Then again, they seem to be a bit selective in how they apply their "rules" given President Obama's reception. They seem to also conveniently forget how the Roman state treated some of the early Christian communities.

As for blind obedience to a leader, this is addressed in the Torah. First Samuel, chapter 8, the Israelites asked Samuel to have a king appointed. The Lord became angry and said that the Israelites had forsaken him. The Lord went on to list all the terrible things that would befall the Israelites if they decided to live under a King.

1 Sam 8:18 - " When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

I am so sick and tired of the vast ignorance and stupidity the US wallows in on a daily basis. (Sorry - just read my congrass man's bitter string of tweets from earlier today, and he never fails to make me spitting mad.)

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Isn't there this Catholic thing about "virtuous innocents" getting a second chance at accepting Jesus after death. Like Dante had a whole circle outside Hell for them?

The fate of unbaptised children (too young to have committed any actual sins, but not yet freed from original sin by the sacrament of baptism) isn't an official matter of Catholic doctrine, as far as I know.

Contemporary Catholic doctrine (i.e. post Vatican II) discourages us from speculating too much about hell and damnation, but certainly it's a lot less obsessed with hell than are US Evangelicals and regards hell as really a pretty difficult place to end up (if, indeed, a merciful God actually does damn anyone).

Most Catholic theologians would agree that Jews are no more automatically subject to damnation simply because they're not Catholics than are most Protestants.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Cain slew Abel Seth knew not why
For if the children of Israel were to multiply
Why must any of the children die?
So he asked the Lord And the Lord said:
Man means nothing he means less to me
Than the lowliest cactus flower
Or the humblest Yucca tree
He chases round this desert
Cause he thinks that's where I'll be
That's why I love mankind

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Isn't there this Catholic thing about "virtuous innocents" getting a second chance at accepting Jesus after death. Like Dante had a whole circle outside Hell for them?

The fate of unbaptised children (too young to have committed any actual sins, but not yet freed from original sin by the sacrament of baptism) isn't an official matter of Catholic doctrine, as far as I know.

Contemporary Catholic doctrine (i.e. post Vatican II) discourages us from speculating too much about hell and damnation, but certainly it's a lot less obsessed with hell than are US Evangelicals and regards hell as really a pretty difficult place to end up (if, indeed, a merciful God actually does damn anyone).

Most Catholic theologians would agree that Jews are no more subject to damnation simply because they're not Catholics than are most Protestants.

Yeah Dante's first circle of hell was "Limbo", a calm and safe place with no suffering, just no salvation, for good non-Christians, but I think he made this concept up rather than getting it from any actual doctrine. I'm guessing because he, like probably most people I'd bet, just couldn't imagine God sending innocent people to eternal torment. It's different from the Catholic idea of purgatory, which is for people who are positively saved but were so sinful in life that they have to be punished for at least a little while before being allowed into heaven.

I don't think there was a second chance for those in Limbo though. They were there without the light of God forever.

 

[Romana]

Some choice responses from the ensuing thread:
1) Pence believed Holocaust victims resurrected themselves:


SMH at that one: some form of Holocaust denial? Or End Days drivel.?

And Rump on the antisemitism that spiked around his *election:


I remember this too. It's when I knew the people who were hoping the mantle of office would temper him were hoping in vain. What kind of president bears this and doesn't condemn it? This one.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Going back to the original tweet, I think one of the reasons it so offends me is that she takes the actual historical event, the murder of six million Jews -- men, women and children, so not simply "babies," -- for the simple reason that they were Jews, at least as far as the Nazis were concerned, in order completely to destroy all Jews and all Jewish life, culture and history, in the whole of Europe, and turns it into some mythical event of significance only in some insane Rapture LARP based on the "Left Behind" novels.

Those six million actual people, and the specificity of who they were, and the circumstances of the lives and deaths, and the identity, motives and methods of their murderers, are all simply erased in her fantasy.

They're all turned into six million innocent little babies, lacking all agency and existing only as objects of pity in her little tale.

It's vile.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Some choice responses from the ensuing thread:
1) Pence believed Holocaust victims resurrected themselves:

This is the person who will be president in the unlikely event the orange one is convicted on his impeachment charge.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

This is the person who will be president in the unlikely event the orange one is convicted on his impeachment charge.

Either way you slice it, we're screwed.

 

[Ellie]

I thought I'd seen this story somewhere in a thread here, but can't remember where now.

Anyway

'Satanic wombs': the outlandish world of Trump's spiritual adviser

A video has surfaced of Paula White saying ‘We command any satanic pregnancies to miscarry right now!’

www.theguardian.com

We were very pleased this weekend to learn that you had recently publicly prayed for God to induce miscarriages in Satanic pregnancies. At a time in which Satanists have had to fight desperately to retain their bodily autonomy in the face of increasingly restrictive anti-abortion laws, we are glad that your “logic” must necessarily lead you to support unrestricted abortion access for Satanists seeking to end unwanted pregnancies!

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Washington Post reinstates reporter who it suspended over Kobe Bryant tweets, saying she didn't violate policy

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Wow, how often does this happen? Police officer charged with murder less than 24 hours after killing of unarmed and handcuffed black suspect

“Here are the facts: I am unable to come to our community this evening and provide you with a reasonable explanation for the events that occurred last night,” Chief Henry P. Stawinski III said at a press conference, and then repeated himself. “I am unable to come to our community this evening and provide you with a reasonable explanation for the events that occurred last night.”

“I have concluded that what happened last night is a crime. There are no circumstances under which this outcome is acceptable.”

Stawinski identified the victim as 49-year-old William Green.

Police responded to reports of a driver who had rammed his vehicle into several other cars at around 8 p.m. Monday. They told reporters later that night that they suspected Green was high, and smelled PCP coming from his car. Stawinski no longer thinks that’s the case.

“We do not believe PCP was involved," Stawinski said.

An officer then cuffed Green with his arms behind his back and strapped him into the passenger seat of the police cruiser.

About 20 minutes later, Officer Michael Owen then got into the driver’s seat and shot him. According to ABC, Green had asked the officer if he could use the bathroom — then the officer shot him seven times. Officers at the scene attempted lifesaving measures on him before transporting him to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

We were very pleased this weekend to learn that you had recently publicly prayed for God to induce miscarriages in Satanic pregnancies. At a time in which Satanists have had to fight desperately to retain their bodily autonomy in the face of increasingly restrictive anti-abortion laws, we are glad that your “logic” must necessarily lead you to support unrestricted abortion access for Satanists seeking to end unwanted pregnancies!

I've tried to make sense of what she was saying -- an enterprise doomed from the start, I suspect -- and am really having problems.

I mean, who are all these women whose satanic pregnancies she asks God to cause to miscarry? Does she think there's armies of Rosemary Woodhouses about, all carrying demonic children in their wombs?

She might be trying to avert the birth of the antichrist, but that sounds theologically dubious even by US standards and probably bad for her business model since it postpones the Rapture.

The closest I can come to making sense out of her prayer is that she's asking God to cause satanic plans to miscarry, rather in the same spirit as the (now infrequently sung) second verse of the British national anthem:

O Lord our God arise,
Scatter our enemies,
And make them fall!
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all!

But that's a bit of a stretch.

However, I don't speak in tongues, so what do I know?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The sinister and abusive side of homeschooling

Child cruelty case triggers call for home schooling review

Northamptonshire parents jailed for neglect and abuse of ‘home educated’ son

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Wow, how often does this happen? Police officer charged with murder less than 24 hours after killing of unarmed and handcuffed black suspect

This is a thing to drop in a time capsule with a follow up reminder at the three months and one year mark.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Wow, how often does this happen? Police officer charged with murder less than 24 hours after killing of unarmed and handcuffed black suspect

Every time the police officer is black or a woman.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Wow, how often does this happen? Police officer charged with murder less than 24 hours after killing of unarmed and handcuffed black suspect

Also maybe check that link there.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Also maybe check that link there.

Weird! Fixed

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Every time the police officer is black or a woman.

To be fair, no matter what colour the officer was, it would always be a bit difficult to run lawful self-defence as an excuse for firing 7 shots at a suspect who was sitting in the police car with his wrists cuffed behind his back.

Presumption of innocence and all that, but it's a bit open and shut, at least on the face of it.

Maryland police officer charged with murder in killing of handcuffed man

The officer shot a man who was handcuffed inside a patrol car seven times, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Free]

Weird! Fixed

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