Police Brutality Protests Thread

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Soen Eber]

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[Jolene Benoir]

While I do agree that sometimes it takes more than one person to bring down a person threatening violence, far too often we see what appears to be a surge of testosterone and no regard for the laws they are charged with carrying out.

It does appear that officers are capable of controlling themselves and that the atmosphere in which they are trained plays a large role. For example: One group of officers approaches a subject with the intent to disarm. They follow laws regarding suspect capture and disarm him. Another group approaches, one trained that the public is always trying to kill them, that they might not go home that night, that the man is a dangerous enermy, and you have an entirely different response; a more lethal one.

ETA: They might not actually go home that night due to our gun laws. Not justifying it in any way, cuz fuck corrupt and violent cops, but acknowledging that plays a role, too.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

I remember when that happened. That was all over the local news for days. I couldn't believe something like that could happen so close to home. I'm still puzzled as to why that didn't make national news.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

While I do agree that sometimes it takes more than one person to bring down a person threatening violence, far too often we see what appears to be a surge of testosterone and no regard for the laws they are charged with carrying out.

It does appear that officers are capable of controlling themselves and that the atmosphere in which they are trained plays a large role. For example: One group of officers approaches a subject with the intent to disarm. They follow laws regarding suspect capture and disarm him. Another group approaches, one trained that the public is always trying to kill them, that they might not go home that night, that the man is a dangerous enermy, and you have an entirely different response; a more lethal one.

There's a lot wrong with our police in the UK still, but they certainly are trained to prevent harm to members of the public, including the suspect as far as possible. Though, of course, they don't have to operate on the assumption that anyone they encounter may have a concealed firearm. But the fact of the matter is that they can usually defuse situations, and when they can't, they can usually subdue suspects pretty quickly without anyone getting badly hurt.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

There's a lot wrong with our police in the UK still, but they certainly are trained to prevent harm to members of the public, including the suspect as far as possible. Though, of course, they don't have to operate on the assumption that anyone they encounter may have a concealed firearm. But the fact of the matter is that they can usually defuse situations, and when they can't, they can usually subdue suspects pretty quickly without anyone getting hurt.

Agreed. See my belated ETA.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Agreed. See my belated ETA.

Certainly, and I agree the ubiquity of guns in the US doesn't excuse the way the US police behave -- even in circumstances when the British police do execute armed raids on suspected drugs dealers or terrorists whom they have every reason to believe have firearms, they very rarely need to shoot.

But I do understand that it's a genuine difference between the UK and the US.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

This, from the British police, is welcome news.

Now it's time for him to do something about it, of course.

Racial justice is key to effective policing, says top chief amid legitimacy crisis

Martin Hewitt says he wants to change ‘generations of history’ between police and black communities

www.theguardian.com

 

[Romana]

And the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.

 

[WolfEyes]

And the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.

I'm not finding any news stories about this that aren't from Fox or a Fox affiliate.

I did run across this though from Salem's local paper.

Police arrest 4 during Oregon State Capitol anti-fascist protest, clash with right-wing supporters

Anti-fascist demonstrators gathered at the Oregon Capitol to protest Freedom rally caravan

www.statesmanjournal.com

 

[Jolene Benoir]

And the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.

What am I looking at here; a pile of shields? I don't see any smashed doors or windows, either. Where is the "storming" part of the insurrection?

 

[Free]

Why the fuck would anyone start with Oregon?!?!

 

[Romana]

What am I looking at here; a pile of shields? I don't see any smashed doors or windows, either. Where is the "storming" part of the insurrection?

He conveniently ignored the fact that they were there counterdemomstrating against the fascists (magas), and it was the latter who chose the location.
Also, I think these guys are using the word "insurrection" the way Vizzini in The Princess Bride used "inconceivable".

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Why the fuck would anyone start with Oregon?!?!

Portland cops are renowned for turning on the citizenry to protect various militia groups imported from across the USA. Oregon is basically the test bed and training ground with far right groups being bussed in like it's a parade.

 

[WolfEyes]

Portland cops are renowned for turning on the citizenry to protect various militia groups imported from across the USA. Oregon is basically the test bed and training ground with far right groups being bussed in like it's a parade.

Portland isn't the capitol though. Salem is. It's never been Portland

Google "capitol of oregon" and you get this:

Oregon's state capital has had a tumultuous history. Over the years, the government seat moved from Oregon City to Salem to Corvallis—then back to Salem. Two state Capitol buildings have burned to the ground and been replaced. The main structure of the current building was completed in 1938.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

And the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.

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[Jolene Benoir]

Portland isn't the capitol though. Salem is. It's never been Portland

Google "capitol of oregon" and you get this:

Well, our capitol is St. Paul, too, but it is always the Mpls cops who violate human rights. So...what happens in Portland is relevant.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Well, our capitol is St. Paul, too, but it is always the Mpls cops who violate human rights. So...what happens in Portland is relevant.

Portland and Salem are not in the same metropolitan area, unlike Minneapolis-St. Paul.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Portland and Salem are not in the same metropolitan area, unlike Minneapolis-St. Paul.

I know, but the state capitol isn't necessarily the seat of unrest, other than that is where the capitol building is and therefore has displays like what we saw. That is what I was getting at.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

I posted good information. Outside the I5 corridor Oregon is Kentucky but worse all in seething resentment about those Libtards in THEIR STATE.

And Portland is still used as far right militia training ground with the help of the local PD. Salem's not a long drive to do some other bullshit exercise.