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While I do agree that sometimes it takes more than one person to bring down a person threatening violence, far too often we see what appears to be a surge of testosterone and no regard for the laws they are charged with carrying out.
I remember when that happened. That was all over the local news for days. I couldn't believe something like that could happen so close to home. I'm still puzzled as to why that didn't make national news.
There's a lot wrong with our police in the UK still, but they certainly are trained to prevent harm to members of the public, including the suspect as far as possible. Though, of course, they don't have to operate on the assumption that anyone they encounter may have a concealed firearm. But the fact of the matter is that they can usually defuse situations, and when they can't, they can usually subdue suspects pretty quickly without anyone getting badly hurt.While I do agree that sometimes it takes more than one person to bring down a person threatening violence, far too often we see what appears to be a surge of testosterone and no regard for the laws they are charged with carrying out.
It does appear that officers are capable of controlling themselves and that the atmosphere in which they are trained plays a large role. For example: One group of officers approaches a subject with the intent to disarm. They follow laws regarding suspect capture and disarm him. Another group approaches, one trained that the public is always trying to kill them, that they might not go home that night, that the man is a dangerous enermy, and you have an entirely different response; a more lethal one.
Agreed. See my belated ETA.There's a lot wrong with our police in the UK still, but they certainly are trained to prevent harm to members of the public, including the suspect as far as possible. Though, of course, they don't have to operate on the assumption that anyone they encounter may have a concealed firearm. But the fact of the matter is that they can usually defuse situations, and when they can't, they can usually subdue suspects pretty quickly without anyone getting hurt.
Certainly, and I agree the ubiquity of guns in the US doesn't excuse the way the US police behave -- even in circumstances when the British police do execute armed raids on suspected drugs dealers or terrorists whom they have every reason to believe have firearms, they very rarely need to shoot.Agreed. See my belated ETA.
I'm not finding any news stories about this that aren't from Fox or a Fox affiliate.And the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.
What am I looking at here; a pile of shields? I don't see any smashed doors or windows, either. Where is the "storming" part of the insurrection?And the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.
He conveniently ignored the fact that they were there counterdemomstrating against the fascists (magas), and it was the latter who chose the location.What am I looking at here; a pile of shields? I don't see any smashed doors or windows, either. Where is the "storming" part of the insurrection?
Portland cops are renowned for turning on the citizenry to protect various militia groups imported from across the USA. Oregon is basically the test bed and training ground with far right groups being bussed in like it's a parade.Why the fuck would anyone start with Oregon?!?!
Portland isn't the capitol though. Salem is. It's never been PortlandPortland cops are renowned for turning on the citizenry to protect various militia groups imported from across the USA. Oregon is basically the test bed and training ground with far right groups being bussed in like it's a parade.
Oregon's state capital has had a tumultuous history. Over the years, the government seat moved from Oregon City to Salem to Corvallis—then back to Salem. Two state Capitol buildings have burned to the ground and been replaced. The main structure of the current building was completed in 1938.
ThreadAnd the right wing myth of Antifa violent insurrection continues.
Well, our capitol is St. Paul, too, but it is always the Mpls cops who violate human rights. So...what happens in Portland is relevant.Portland isn't the capitol though. Salem is. It's never been Portland
Google "capitol of oregon" and you get this:
Portland and Salem are not in the same metropolitan area, unlike Minneapolis-St. Paul.Well, our capitol is St. Paul, too, but it is always the Mpls cops who violate human rights. So...what happens in Portland is relevant.
I know, but the state capitol isn't necessarily the seat of unrest, other than that is where the capitol building is and therefore has displays like what we saw. That is what I was getting at.Portland and Salem are not in the same metropolitan area, unlike Minneapolis-St. Paul.