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I'd like to mention I'm not in the debate with Beebo, rather I'm forking the semi related discussion.

Not that forum software forks well. 🤪
 
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16, 18-year-olds change electronic billboard to show porn

Police in a Detroit suburb have identified two teenage boys responsible for changing a digital billboard along an interstate highway to display pornography, according to Auburn Hills police Lt. Ryan Gagnon.

According to police, the two teenage boys, ages 16 and 18, negotiated a 6-foot fence around a small shack underneath the billboard shortly before 11 p.m. on September 28. Inside the shack was a laptop computer that operated the digital billboard.

One of the boys was able access the laptop and changed the billboard so that it was displaying pornography instead of advertisements to drivers on Interstate 75 North, according to police.

Auburn Hills police began receiving calls around 11 p.m. that the billboard was displaying graphic images. They reached out to the emergency contact for the company operating the sign, Triple Communications, and the company promptly shut down the sign.

Police were able to identify the two teenagers through anonymous tips. The teenagers admitted to everything and have been cooperative, Gagnon said.

Okay okay....lol

Two things about this:

First, note that last part where they had to be identified through anonymous tips. If you click the article link there's a photo of them taken by some kind of security camera inside the tiny shack underneath the billboard, but their faces are covered by hood parkas they're wearing which are zipped all the way up to their eyes. So, 50 points to Gryffindor for anticipating the presence of a security camera inside the shack, that there's no way they could have seen from outside.

Second - well, if I ever decide I really really want a new laptop, now I know exactly where to find one that's essentially just laying around. Thanks CNN!

Seriously I never knew for sure exactly how those video-billboards operated - I mean, I had my guesses, but they never included "a laptop just left on and sitting on a table inside the little shack at the bottom".

Also, why is this called "hacking"? It's one of my pet peeves that anything involving touching an electronic thing that one presumably isn't supposed to touch is called "hacking" these days.
 

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Also, why is this called "hacking"? It's one of my pet peeves that anything involving touching an electronic thing that one presumably isn't supposed to touch is called "hacking" these days.
Hacking, these days, is more than just breaking into a computer system. Hacking can be altering any electronic gadget to do something it wasn't originally designed to do.

However, if that laptop had any ounce of security in place, then the more classic use of the term "hacking" certainly applies. And, even if there wasn't even so much as a password on the thing, well, kudos to the teens for altering the programming on the changeable message sign to make the commute a little more - interesting.
 
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And while Utrecht is still planning such a suburb, its counterpart having the same principles in Vienna is already existant: Seestadt, where the first people moved in 2014.


 
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Surely you don’t mean to excuse nonconsent as a kink?
What does that even mean? I'm not "excusing" anything.

In our time and place, nonconsensual sex is seen as extremely problematic behavior. This judgment (with which I happen to agree, since I'm as much a product of this era as anyone) doesn't change the fact that some men find nonconsensual sex arousing. Glibly telling them that consensual sex is "better" sex is meaningless -- it's not a persuasive argument because they can't just "decide" to feel differently. It won't feel "better" to them. She can't talk them into normative/societally approved sexual arousal.

We can see this pretty clearly with child molesters. First, they will go to great lengths to persuade themselves that what they are doing is not as damaging as society maintains. But even when they are fully aware that their behavior is unacceptable, the response is not extinguished. At best it can be managed by avoiding triggers. Scolding a pedophile and telling him that sex with adults is "a better, freer kind of sex" would be ludicrous.
 
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What does that even mean? I'm not "excusing" anything.

In our time and place, nonconsensual sex is seen as extremely problematic behavior. This judgment (with which I happen to agree, since I'm as much a product of this era as anyone) doesn't change the fact that some men find nonconsensual sex arousing. Glibly telling them that consensual sex is "better" sex is meaningless -- it's not a persuasive argument because they can't just "decide" to feel differently. It won't feel "better" to them. She can't talk them into normative/societally approved sexual arousal.

We can see this pretty clearly with child molesters. First, they will go to great lengths to persuade themselves that what they are doing is not as damaging as society maintains. But even when they are fully aware that their behavior is unacceptable, the response is not extinguished. At best it can be managed by avoiding triggers. Scolding a pedophile and telling him that sex with adults is "a better, freer kind of sex" would be ludicrous.
I don’t have any problem with scolding people for problems so severe they are counted as criminal by even the most liberal and the most libertine. This is because I don’t have any problem with the necessity for a normative framework in society and the inevitability that most enforcement will be social rather than legal (the law being a blunt instrument, and never fine grained enough to reflect all actual ethics).

If psychiatry has no solutions, society still has to set and enforce priorities. If psychiatry did have solutions, could anything be more dystopian? Scolding is the easy punishment.

Certainly there are always problems with a normative framework; it can be a tool of oppression and ignorance, and it’s always going to be manipulated by unsavory forces in search of power and profit. But we can’t do without it, without putting the entire power over children and other vulnerable dependents on local patriarchs. I’m not willing to take that extremely libertarian/conservative/individualist position. So we will have a moral framework, we will fight over what’s in it (hopefully progressing toward a standard of human rights) and communities will informally enforce it, because there’s no space in which to care for children and other vulnerable people if we don’t.

People are not complete victims of their “lovemaps” (to borrow Money’s description of paraphilias). What cannot be shifted over time or explored as consensual BDSM can be repressed by some people in the service of their own personal ethical beliefs. For example, abuse victims who have been imprinted by abuse may abstain from abuse because they have empathy for potential new victims. Does this mean some people can’t have what they want? Actually it does, and society is gradually trying to criminalize forms of abuse that used to get a pass. Predictably, abusers will push back.

Here’s where I’m unrelentingly judgmental- if someone requires something severely abusive to get off and can’t find an ethical path to it and can’t control it, we are in fact trying to put him in jail. Societal disapproval does provide some guardrails when many people are not able to work out a personal ethics.

I don’t feel a bit of guilt about being judgy about this. This is because I prioritize child/vulnerable protection, and expect adults to “pay for it.”

Some people do have to do without. We all do without on small scales and hopefully, the better environment imprints the next generation differently, which I think is in fact happening in more progressive cultures over time.
 

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Here’s where I’m unrelentingly judgmental- if someone requires something severely abusive to get off and can’t find an ethical path to it and can’t control it, we are in fact trying to put him in jail. Societal disapproval does provide some guardrails when many people are not able to work out a personal ethics.
FFS. Of course. Going off on this rant as if I'm defending people's "right" to abusive, nonconsensual sex is not only unnecessary but really insulting. It has no bearing on anything I posted.
Some people do have to do without.
Exactly this. THIS is the only remedy we have for now. In an otherwise insightful article, this is the message that the author completely missed.
 

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Is there a solution short of uploading everyone into Equestria Online?
 
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16, 18-year-olds change electronic billboard to show porn




Okay okay....lol

Two things about this:

First, note that last part where they had to be identified through anonymous tips. If you click the article link there's a photo of them taken by some kind of security camera inside the tiny shack underneath the billboard, but their faces are covered by hood parkas they're wearing which are zipped all the way up to their eyes. So, 50 points to Gryffindor for anticipating the presence of a security camera inside the shack, that there's no way they could have seen from outside.

Second - well, if I ever decide I really really want a new laptop, now I know exactly where to find one that's essentially just laying around. Thanks CNN!

Seriously I never knew for sure exactly how those video-billboards operated - I mean, I had my guesses, but they never included "a laptop just left on and sitting on a table inside the little shack at the bottom".

Also, why is this called "hacking"? It's one of my pet peeves that anything involving touching an electronic thing that one presumably isn't supposed to touch is called "hacking" these days.
I'm not sure about any of your questions Dakota, I just know I'd rather watch porn on the way into work than see stupid ads. :giggle:
 
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FFS. Of course. Going off on this rant as if I'm defending people's "right" to abusive, nonconsensual sex is not only unnecessary but really insulting. It has no bearing on anything I posted.

Exactly this. THIS is the only remedy we have for now. In an otherwise insightful article, this is the message that the author completely missed.
I think the problem is that behaviours are on a continuum, and they don't fall into simple binary categories except, of course, that of legal vs illegal, and to my mind, it's really important to distinguish between behaviour of which I may disapprove and behaviour that I think needs controlling by law.

Abusive, non-consensual sex -- whether the victim is a child or an adult -- isn't about sexual desire particularly. Some men may very well have "urges they have difficulty in controlling," as the cliche would have it, but the "urges" are rooted in anger and the need to dominate, which are themselves based on fear, rather than in sexual desire.

So it seems to me perfectly reasonable to suppose that, in many cases, people can in fact be diverted away from abusive behaviour into more healthy and rewarding consensual relationships, possibly via BDSM, if they can be helped to understand that their fears of sex and sexual desire are unfounded -- that's what we try to tell angry incels, anyway.

If they can't understand this, or don't want to try, then they have to do without, of course, and that's why we need the criminal law, but that doesn't mean it's necessary in all cases.

Despite the existence of some clearly very evil and perverted people who present a very real danger to the general public, or at least some sections of it, many people, I think, can, in fact, be diverted into more positive and rewarding relationships.
 

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FFS. Of course. Going off on this rant as if I'm defending people's "right" to abusive, nonconsensual sex is not only unnecessary but really insulting. It has no bearing on anything I posted.

Exactly this. THIS is the only remedy we have for now. In an otherwise insightful article, this is the message that the author completely missed.
I’m not trying to be insulting and I apologize. I don’t think you’re trying to defend a “right.” I just don’t understand your anger. Privilege should be called out. People are still programmed into inequality for reasons that are cultural and not hopelessly hardwired.

I’ve had to navigate out of potentially bad situations using social disapproval, or use it to help insulate someone, since it’s not always possible or advantageous to ramp it up to the level of calling the cops. I’ve heard myself telling people with unbalanced privilege to do better. Sometimes they can. I don’t assume they’re all broken.
 

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