Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died

[Jolene Benoir]

Seriously... WTF is your malfunction? I did not IM you to intimidate you. I IMed you because nobody gives a shit about your innane ramblings regarding who I may or may not vote for, or talk about voting for, in other threads.

You are wildly off topic, on a thread about a serious issue. Don't you care to discuss what the death of RBG means for the country? The current front runner for her replacement is a cultist (sorry... technically a member of a parachurch, which is really just a cult that knows somebody). I'm surprised I'm the only one who seems to be telling you to fuck off.

Since nobody else here seems to mind your bullshit attempts to distract from our serious conversation about what the death of RBG means for the country, then go ahead, post my IMs to you, if you want. I didn't send them to intimidate you. I sent them so they aren't cluttering up intelligent conversations on this thread. I'm not a moderator, though, so I'm not going to try to enforce some semblance of sanity here. I'll request sanity, as politely as I can, but enforcing it is clearly not my role. If nobody else seems to want intelligent conversation here, then fine. You want to go nuts? Go ahead, go nuts.

If you want to go properly nuts, while still allowing sane people to discuss serious issues in this thread, then I would strongly suggest you post my IMs in their own thread, instead of here. That way all the crazy people who actually care about that kind of bullshit can go read it and leave the rest of us alone. Like I said, though, I'm no moderator, so post them here if you want to. Or don't. It's a free country. I'm not going to tell you what to do. You can delete them, or post them on billboards, send them to my elementary school physics professor's room mate's girl friend's pet gold fish if you want. I got nothing to hide. You acting like I sent you my bank account number and routing information is pure lunacy. Like I explained in my messages to you, you're the one who is being unreasonable.

I just hope that after you post the messages, you will kindly STFU while adults are speaking. Pick up a newspaper, and do more reading, less typing.

Dickhead says what? Yes, you DID IM me in an effort to intimidate/shut me down. All over a one line post about you talking about how civil war might not be so bad. You ramble on about how civil war might just be a good thing all while you voted in a manner that could very well lead us to it. You are the last person who should be musing about such things.

I have been talking about what the death of RBG means for us, in case you hadn't noticed. Ya know, you aren't the only person I respond to.

Shut up. You are a moron. Don't come waving your dick at me. I will smack it. Do you understand me?

 

[Free]

Don't come waving your dick at me. I will smack it. Do you understand me?

You know, sometimes that's what they're asking for.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Cheers
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I worked in a gas bar convenience store just off a freeway and across from a trailer park. We could swap some stories!

But anyway, yeah, I have no doubt of your capabilities. I'm thinking maybe for the sake of anyone else who needs to see it, throwing an extra spotlight on creepy weirdo behaviour isn't a bad thing. I'll stand down tho.

Gawds yes. I have tons of war stories.. Add in the bus driving ones and even more. Those get really interesting. In fact, WAY more there. We couldn't get through them if we had a full weekend.

Working with the public is/was always such a joy. Humanity at its best and worst. It isn't all bad, there are lots of stories that would regain your faith in humanity, too.

 

[Free]

MSN

www.msn.com

Donations to Democratic candidates and causes surged over $100 million on Sunday following the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, showing Democrats’ eagerness to fight efforts to seat a new justice before the election.

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ActBlue, a key fundraising platform for the left including Joe Biden’s campaign against President Donald Trump, took in more than $103 million between the announcement of Ginsburg’s death and just after noon Sunday. Using ActBlue, donors earmark money for Democratic candidates and causes they want to support.

 

[Sid]

Votes are needed at this stage of the elections, not money.

 

[Free]

Votes are needed at this stage of the elections, not money.

So your argument is stop giving money to your candidates, stop investing in get out the vote efforts, stop dropping coin on political groups and causes you believe in who are trying to increase awareness of their efforts, and either send in your ballot and then sit on your hands, or sit on your hands until it's time to go vote?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Sid]

So your argument is stop giving money to your candidates, stop investing in get out the vote efforts, stop dropping coin on political groups and causes you believe in who are trying to increase awareness of their efforts, and either send in your ballot and then sit on your hands, or sit on your hands until it's time to go vote?

No, but American politics are so different from the ones over here. I can't really imagine money is making all the difference.

Do you know how much the biggest spending political party has spend for their last election campaign for parliament (being the most important one, as we are a kingdom)? On commercials, posters, buttons, flyers, Facebook advertisement, stickers etc.?

The largest party somewhere close to 3 million.
There were 2 parties that used 1.5 million each, the rest even less.
Given that the US has about 20 times the population of the NL, that would mean about 60 million or less for an entire US wide campaign.

It all depends very much over here on people volunteering to do the footwork for their party, go to shopping centers, local markets, go door to door in neighborhoods.
Party leaders mostly do talk shows and tv/radio debates. Some tour some major cities, shaking hands before rolling cameras (and maybe 100 people show up in general).

 

[Jolene Benoir]

No, but American politics are so different from the ones over here. I can't really imagine money is making all the difference.

Do you know how much the biggest spending political party has spend for their last election campaign for parliament (being the most important one, as we are a kingdom)? On commercials, posters, buttons, flyers, Facebook advertisement, stickers etc.?

The largest party somewhere close to 3 million.
There were 2 parties that used 1.5 million each, the rest even less.
Given that the US has about 20 times the population of the NL, that would mean about 60 million or less for an entire US wide campaign.

It all depends very much over here on people volunteering to do the footwork for their party, go to shopping centers, local markets, go door to door in neighborhoods.
Party leaders mostly do talk shows and tv/radio debates. Some tour some major cities, shaking hands before rolling cameras (and maybe 100 people show up in general).

I would like very much to institute a publicly financed campaign fund, with or without other options.. Unfortunately that doesn't exist here. I often think how much better it would be, but again, not here. Here, money is king, which of course is a major part of the problem. A politician cannot even begin to wage a contest unless they have money behind them. It's not likely to change for that very reason, unless we can must the will to change it.

Clinton wanted to reign in campaign contributions in the early '90's. It went nowhere, and since that time it's only gotten worse with the Citizens United Supreme Court decision. Now we have Russia funneling money to the NRA to be then pushed to the Republican party.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I just want to add that our founding fathers were particularly concerned about foreign money/influence making its way into our republic. Well, we are there, but those who claim how very much they love this country, founding fathers, constitution are the very ones benefiting.

Rules and moral guidelines don't apply to those who wish to take complete power. Nothing is off the table. We've been attempting to play by the rules with an adversary that is willing to toss it all out. It's probably time that we acknowledge that. Not sure that following their lead would be best, in fact probably not, but I'm at a loss.

It's pretty common for evil to confound good by it's ability to break all rules.

 

[Sid]

Over here we have a Zendtijd Voor Politieke Partijen system (air time for political parties) on the national networks. Where each party gets an x amount of minutes airtime during an election period. Always aired right before a news show. Always one minute at a time. Even parties that have no members in parliament but are on the ballots get some minutes. The political parties are free to fill that time to their own liking, as long as they don't extend the x amount of minutes available. Payed for by the taxpayer (excluding the production costs).

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

So you are enroling cultists for the supreme court now?

It would sure appear that way. The evangelicals have to be salivating over this.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Votes are needed at this stage of the elections, not money.

We're not at the voting stage yet. The money is needed for advertising and other efforts to get the word out on who the candidates are and what they represent, and what the issues are. Call it money invested in voter education, if you will. Ads on television aren't cheap, and they don't reach as many people as they used to, so more money is needed to reach the rather diverse groups of potential voters in an effective way.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Ah, Murkowski won the Romney-Collins-Murkowski raffle this time.

Maybe.

Stay tuned.

 

[Kara Spengler]

We are NOT fucked and this is NOT over. We fight back. Angry ignorant old white people is not exactly a demographic coalition with a long-term future. We've been beaten before. I had friends whose quilts were laid on the National Mall while Ronnie and Nacy danced on the figurative graves of our dead. We didn't quit then and we're not going to now. The best way to honor RBG's life is to commit to continuing her fight(s) for us and our future. Don't lei her memory be dishonored by these misogynistic bastards.

I have been trying to figure out a path that does not have Ds and Rs physically attacking each other soon. Throwing fists would actually be preferable as it would be less lethal than the alternatives. Any outcome from the election has a high probability of that happening. The worst thing would be the Ds continuing to be centrists. The eventual fight would get pushed back a few years but it would be much worse.

I do not look at any current election as much. I try to extrapolate what will happen over the next few election cycles.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Ah, Murkowski won the Romney-Collins-Murkowski raffle this time.

Maybe.

Stay tuned.

Senator (for the time being) Collins has also said she does not think it appropriate for the Senate to vote on it before the election

Senator Collins’ Statement on Supreme Court Vacancy | U.S. Senator Susan Collins of Maine

Bangor, ME—U.S. Senator Susan Collins released the following statement on the Supreme Court...

www.collins.senate.gov

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Yeah, I trust any of the major 3, with possibly the exception of Romney, about as far as I could throw them. Murkowski and Collins are flighty as fuck. They shift where the wind blows. They make excuses, such as Collins famous vote against impeachment stating that "He learned his lesson." Puhleeze. Because every dictator learned some lesson from a half-hearted attempt to remove them.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Yeah, I trust any of the major 3, with possibly the exception of Romney, about as far as I could throw them. Murkowski and Collins are flighty as fuck. They shift where the wind blows. They make excuses, such as Collins famous vote against impeachment stating that "He learned his lesson." Puhleeze. Because every dictator learned some lesson from a half-hearted attempt to remove them.

As I understand it, they''re both defending the most vulnerable Republican seats in the Senate, upon which the Republican majority there depends.

That being the case, it seems to me they have every reason to concentrate on keeping their seats in November, regardless of what Trump wants, and McConnell has every reason to support them in this, since his priority is the senate majority too.

 

[Kara Spengler]

One of my family members burst out with "OMG, oh no! !" I said, "What is it?" After she told me, my heart just dropped. The hits keep coming. The stars keep aligning in a way that this evil bastard keeps getting opportunities. Then, I thought of all the people who will lose their civil rights, all the people who will continue to be ground down by corporate overlords, all of the women who will be forced to bear children even if it means they might die and have no means to support them (see, corporate overlords) and my heart sank even more.

What if, just what if, the election ends up in front of the Supreme Court like it did in 2000? He will have picked three of the people judging him. Or, rather the Heritage Foundation/Federalist Society will have.

If, for some reason, we are able to prevent him from installing someone prior to the election, it's going to draw out all of the evangelicals/anti-abortion folks to vote for him, where they might have stayed home.

This is a disaster of monumental proportion and I loathe those who in 2016 could not see what could happen to the Supreme Court, or just didn't care.

To end on a not doom and gloom note, a write up of her life. Also, the two movies about her are worth watching.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg

www.history.com

As I have been maintaining most of the ways we get through the next few months lead to physical violence. I have already mentally written this year's elections off as the start of a new civil war. It does not really matter who wins because the country will have to go though it. There is a chance (albeit small) it gets delayed but it will just be worse when it arrives.