Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Has Died

[Jolene Benoir]

Trump really found somebody who is quite probably not a supposed rapist, but instead quite likely thinks women are there to be raped by their husbands? Yes, this is full in line with Trump.

Oh, catholic as well and 7 children? We can expect Trump's assault on abortion sooner or later if she gets elected.

He didn't find them. He doesn't do work. He golfs. This is the work of the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society.

 

[bubblesort]

The most immediate effect of Ginsberg being replaced is probably that the ACA will be completely gutted. The media have not been giving this much coverage, but lately, Republican candidates have been kind of quietly grumbling about bringing back pre-existing conditions as a reason to deny coverage.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s Death Puts Spotlight on Affordable Care Act

The death of Justice Ginsburg immediately changes the prospects for cases now on the docket. The eight-member court portends particularly ill for the Affordable Care Act, which faces its latest conservative challenge Nov. 10.

www.wsj.com

 

[Jolene Benoir]

The most immediate effect of Ginsberg being replaced is probably that the ACA will be completely gutted. The media have not been giving this much coverage, but lately, Republican candidates have been kind of quietly grumbling about bringing back pre-existing conditions as a reason to deny coverage.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s Death Puts Spotlight on Affordable Care Act

The death of Justice Ginsburg immediately changes the prospects for cases now on the docket. The eight-member court portends particularly ill for the Affordable Care Act, which faces its latest conservative challenge Nov. 10.

www.wsj.com

Yep, flawed as it was, it kept some people from dying. Thanks, bubblesort. Meanwhile , members of congress have the very best heatlthcare. Even with the ACA we have been losing thousands of people per year. If there was ever a precursor to Trump, and likeminded, not caring about lives lost due to Covid, all you had to do was look at their responses to people dying due to lack of healthcare. It was a given.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[bubblesort]

This article was written before the RBG news broke, but I think it shows how RBG's death might help the second COVID 19 stimulus get pushed through. The stimulus has been held up for months, because McConnell needs something for vulnerable Republican senate candidates to stump on to show their conservative credentials. The supreme court nomination gives him that issue, which frees him up to approve a stimulus deal. Maybe.

All the back-and-forth between Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer over the stimulus and all the talk and recent activity over McConnell’s “skinny stimulus” bill are largely a sideshow. Early on McConnell ceded negotiation rights to the White House, and focused on the twin challenges of giving vulnerable senators some sort of partisan bill to support while placating the 20-or-so hardcore conservatives who think the federal government has already done enough in the way of COVID-19 relief and stimulus. That’s why the “skinny” proposal moved away from, not toward, the Democratic position, quickly abandoning the more substantial HEALS Act (which among other things included a second stimulus check) that congressional Republicans released in conjunction with the White House in late July.

Senate Democrats, who have only one truly vulnerable member up for reelection this year (Alabama’s Doug Jones) are determined to stay in lock step with Nancy Pelosi, whose iron control of the House represents the strongest Democrats asset in negotiations. If Democrats can reach a deal with the White House, Democratic senators will supply most of the votes needed to get it through that chamber, and no matter what the fiscal hardliners say, McConnell isn’t going to block a Trump-blessed deal.

Why the Second Coronavirus Stimulus Package Remains Stalled

Since Democrats have the upper hand in stimulus talks, Pelosi is counting on Trump to return to the table, whether Republicans like it or not.

nymag.com

 

[Pamela]

I am tired of playing by he rules while they ignore them. I am fine with Bloomberg taking his billions and bribing the Rs with more money than their current bribers are paying them.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Everyone who has the financial ability to do so should contribute to Amy's campaign. She absolutely NEEDS to win! That is the only way we can end the corruption in Senate and free up the legislative logjam that is Turtle McTurtleface. The only way, besides removing Trump, we can take back our government!

He's up by a huge number, because I guess Kentuckians prefer the devil that they know, but you never know. Some very important races have changed over the last couple of years.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

"Why are you angry?" Sending private notes. "Irrational."

Get your bingo cards.

Pfftt... no regrets. The promise to publicize the im's ended it, I hope.

You know? When I worked at that convenience store I saw a lot of shit. I am not kidding. I saw people defecate in the hallway on the floor leading to the bathroom, because they were out of their mind on some drug or other. Guess who got to clean that up? While we were being robbed at gunpoint, some chick just wandered in to hit up the atm, in her nightgown and slippers. She was out of it, too. That was pretty common. People who were addicted never thought they would need more, so they'd hit up the atm for the minimum of what the seller wanted, but, of course they would end up coming back for more.

I am 5'4" so I guess some folks saw me as prey, but I've been victimized in the past when I was young and stupid. I became callous and always ready.

For the most part, I was there on the overnight shift. Once, well it happened more than once. but the one time I remember? Some dude came up and flashed me. I burst out laughing at him. I was like, "Really, you're going to bring that tiny sword to a sword fight?" He slunk off. I guess I've forgotten the more aggressive ones and focused on that one win.

I guess what I am saying is that some Yoda sending IM's to me, in some kind of effort to intimidate or whatever, isn't gong to hit me like it might some others. Not that I'll put up with it, but I have a few extra tools?

 

[Pamela]

This is no time for timidity. Ten sounds about right.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Barbara Lagoa is being viewed as a possible other, less controversial candidate for the seat right now. Lagoa is 52 and from hispanic descent. When she became a judge on a court in Atlanta by Trump's decree, the senate of the state of Illinois (118 seats) voted 80 for her and only 15 votes against her. So Lagoa had largely the support of the Democrats in Illinois as well.

What you need to know about Barbara Lagoa

According to people familiar with the process, the seasoned Florida judge with Cuban roots is being considered for a seat on the Supreme Court.

www.politico.com

Another possible candidate is Amul Thapar from Indian descent.

All candidates have in common that they are quite young, that they can probably serve for decades to come and made it on Trump's shortlist when Kavanaugh was nominated.

 

[Ariane]

If the GOP plays it smart, they might win the presidential election over this.
First they have to push forward a candidate quickly and then hope and pray that the Dems will go into defense and delay mode until after the elections.
That way they will have a great argument in their hands for all the christian nutters, anti abortion dwellers, homophobes and all conservatives in the USA to vote for 45 one more time, even if they were thinking to vote Dems this time, because 45 being dissappointing in his current job.
They all will feel that they can influence what will happen in the US for at least two decades if they get yet another conservative judge up there.
I hope I'm wrong about this, but fuck... this is the worst thing that could happen in this moment in the election race.

Here's the thing: The GOP can't hold out until after the election, they have to do it before. Unless they can be persuaded otherwise, it looks like Collins, Murkowski, and Romney are taking the "lets wait until after the election" stand. Now if none of the other GOP Senators agree that still leaves 51 votes with Mike Pence.

But something magical happens on November 3rd. Arizona's "appointed" GOP Senator Martha McSally will no longer be Senator unless she can miraculously overcome a 12 point deficit and defeat Mark Kelly who will be seated immediately after the votes are official. If Collins, Murkowski, and Romney don't back down, that means there are only 49 GOP votes in a lame duck sessions. Now the X-factor is Collins, who is also behind in the polls and one of the GOP Senators likely to lose her seat, and she may say "fuck it" and become the 50th vote if she loses.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Pfftt... no regrets. The promise to publicize the im's ended it, I hope.

You know? When I worked at that convenience store I saw a lot of shit. I am not kidding. I saw people defecate in the hallway on the floor leading to the bathroom, because they were out of their mind on some drug or other. Guess who got to clean that up? While we were being robbed at gunpoint, some chick just wandered in to hit up the atm, in her nightgown and slippers. She was out of it, too. That was pretty common. People who were addicted never thought they would need more, so they'd hit up the atm for the minimum of what the seller wanted, but, of course they would end up coming back for more.

I am 5'4" so I guess some folks saw me as prey, but I've been victimized in the past when I was young and stupid. I became callous and always ready.

For the most part, I was there on the overnight shift. Once, well it happened more than once. but the one time I remember? Some dude came up and flashed me. I burst out laughing at him. I was like, "Really, you're going to bring that tiny sword to a sword fight?" He slunk off. I guess I've forgotten the more aggressive ones and focused on that one win.

I guess what I am saying is that some Yoda sending IM's to me, in some kind of effort to intimidate or whatever, isn't gong to hit me like it might some others. Not that I'll put up with it, but I have a few extra tools?

Cheers
​

I worked in a gas bar convenience store just off a freeway and across from a trailer park. We could swap some stories!

But anyway, yeah, I have no doubt of your capabilities. I'm thinking maybe for the sake of anyone else who needs to see it, throwing an extra spotlight on creepy weirdo behaviour isn't a bad thing. I'll stand down tho.

 

[bubblesort]

Pfftt... no regrets. The promise to publicize the im's ended it, I hope.

You know? When I worked at that convenience store I saw a lot of shit. I am not kidding. I saw people defecate in the hallway on the floor leading to the bathroom, because they were out of their mind on some drug or other. Guess who got to clean that up? While we were being robbed at gunpoint, some chick just wandered in to hit up the atm, in her nightgown and slippers. She was out of it, too. That was pretty common. People who were addicted never thought they would need more, so they'd hit up the atm for the minimum of what the seller wanted, but, of course they would end up coming back for more.

I am 5'4" so I guess some folks saw me as prey, but I've been victimized in the past when I was young and stupid. I became callous and always ready.

For the most part, I was there on the overnight shift. Once, well it happened more than once. but the one time I remember? Some dude came up and flashed me. I burst out laughing at him. I was like, "Really, you're going to bring that tiny sword to a sword fight?" He slunk off. I guess I've forgotten the more aggressive ones and focused on that one win.

I guess what I am saying is that some Yoda sending IM's to me, in some kind of effort to intimidate or whatever, isn't gong to hit me like it might some others. Not that I'll put up with it, but I have a few extra tools?

Seriously... WTF is your malfunction? I did not IM you to intimidate you. I IMed you because nobody gives a shit about your innane ramblings regarding who I may or may not vote for, or talk about voting for, in other threads.

You are wildly off topic, on a thread about a serious issue. Don't you care to discuss what the death of RBG means for the country? The current front runner for her replacement is a cultist (sorry... technically a member of a parachurch, which is really just a cult that knows somebody). I'm surprised I'm the only one who seems to be telling you to fuck off.

Since nobody else here seems to mind your bullshit attempts to distract from our serious conversation about what the death of RBG means for the country, then go ahead, post my IMs to you, if you want. I didn't send them to intimidate you. I sent them so they aren't cluttering up intelligent conversations on this thread. I'm not a moderator, though, so I'm not going to try to enforce some semblance of sanity here. I'll request sanity, as politely as I can, but enforcing it is clearly not my role. If nobody else seems to want intelligent conversation here, then fine. You want to go nuts? Go ahead, go nuts.

If you want to go properly nuts, while still allowing sane people to discuss serious issues in this thread, then I would strongly suggest you post my IMs in their own thread, instead of here. That way all the crazy people who actually care about that kind of bullshit can go read it and leave the rest of us alone. Like I said, though, I'm no moderator, so post them here if you want to. Or don't. It's a free country. I'm not going to tell you what to do. You can delete them, or post them on billboards, send them to my elementary school physics professor's room mate's girl friend's pet gold fish if you want. I got nothing to hide. You acting like I sent you my bank account number and routing information is pure lunacy. Like I explained in my messages to you, you're the one who is being unreasonable.

I just hope that after you post the messages, you will kindly STFU while adults are speaking. Pick up a newspaper, and do more reading, less typing.

 

[bubblesort]

Here's the thing: The GOP can't hold out until after the election, they have to do it before. Unless they can be persuaded otherwise, it looks like Collins, Murkowski, and Romney are taking the "lets wait until after the election" stand. Now if none of the other GOP Senators agree that still leaves 51 votes with Mike Pence.

But something magical happens on November 3rd. Arizona's "appointed" GOP Senator Martha McSally will no longer be Senator unless she can miraculously overcome a 12 point deficit and defeat Mark Kelly who will be seated immediately after the votes are official. If Collins, Murkowski, and Romney don't back down, that means there are only 49 GOP votes in a lame duck sessions. Now the X-factor is Collins, who is also behind in the polls and one of the GOP Senators likely to lose her seat, and she may say "fuck it" and become the 50th vote if she loses.

I like this analysis. It's a long 6 and a half weeks between here and voting day, though. A lot can happen. I wouldn't want to lay odds on what this chaos will produce.

 

[Fionalein]

This is Trump's top pick to replace Justice Ginsberg:

Trump's Leading Pick To Replace RBG Believes Husbands Should Rule Over Wives

Amy Coney Barrett reportedly belongs to People of Praise, a group to which members must swear a lifelong loyalty oath.

mavenroundtable.io

So you are enroling cultists for the supreme court now?

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Seriously... WTF is your malfunction? I did not IM you to intimidate you. I IMed you because nobody gives a shit about your innane ramblings regarding who I may or may not vote for, or talk about voting for, in other threads.

You think?

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I loathe with the heat of a thousand suns women who sell their 'sisters' out. Just saying.

Not saying its wrong for women to personally choose it for themselves - but when they decide to choose for the rest of us?

And does she even have any background in constitutional law?!

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I loathe with the heat of a thousand suns women who sell their 'sisters' out. Just saying.

Not saying its wrong for women to personally choose it for themselves - but when they decide to choose for the rest of us?

I use the term "demographic traitors" for people like that. They come in many forms. A lot of black conservatives are also very, very willing to sell out their own people. Some much more so than others. My dad sent me some horrible video full of racial slurs and out of context statistics making black people look bad.. ...but what made this horrible racist video pseudo "okay" was that it was narrated by an extremely self loathing black man...

And does she even have any background in constitutional law?!

Yes. ...she has a law degree and is fully qualified. That said, I'm sure she privately thinks biblical law is more important.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

So you are enroling cultists for the supreme court now?

Yes. ...she has a law degree and is fully qualified. That said, I'm sure she privately thinks biblical law is more important.

There's more about her here:

Some Worry About Judicial Nominee’s Ties to a Religious Group (Published 2017)

Amy Coney Barrett, President Trump’s choice for an appeals-court seat, belongs to People of Praise, a tight-knit, oath-bound group with considerable sway over its members.

www.nytimes.com

Evernote link because paywall

I'm always dubious about arguments that seem to suggest someone's religious affiliation should debar her from public office -- an argument, after all, deployed at the time by the US far right, like the KKK, as a reason people should vote for Nixon, since they feared Kennedy would be taking his orders from the Pope -- and it's a basic occupational requirement that judges should be able to try a case impartially, whatever their personal views on it.

However, I think her membership of this particular group, since she was apparently so reticent about it at her confirmation hearing for the federal bench, needs careful examination.