#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

[Katheryne Helendale]

A peek at the thought processes of a typical Trump supporter. This is scary!

 

[Kara Spengler]

A peek at the thought processes of a typical Trump supporter. This is scary!

I try to spend as little time figuring out their thought processes as possible. At least, oh, visualising how 7-dimensional objects would collide follows some sort of logic.

 

[Lianne Marten]

Well yeah they are all authoritarians, this is the problem. Any reasonable party would have kicked Donald to the curb long ago, but the second that he won the primary he became the leader and thus must be followed no matter what.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

A short, interesting read:

Pelosi Statement on Special Counsel Indictment and Arrest of Trump Campaign Advisor Roger Stone - Speaker Nancy Pelosi

 

[Khamon]

You'll need at least two constitutional amendments as well as changes in state constitutions to switch to a parliamentary system, eliminate the electoral college, re-balance the senate, switch to a transferable vote/instant runoff system, and so on.

Yeah, but we need to ratify other amendments first to provide national healthcare, at least. I do believe a Parlimentary system would serve us better. But for the time being I’m gonna work and vote for Democrats on every front with a clear expectation that they’ll get the job done.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

 

[Lianne Marten]

Well yeah they are all authoritarians, this is the problem. Any reasonable party would have kicked Donald to the curb long ago, but the second that he won the primary he became the leader and thus must be followed no matter what.

I realized later that i'm giving a lot of them too much credit with this.

For plenty the fact is just that they straight-up agree with him and his goals. Donald is a symptom, not the problem.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Ann Launay]

Donald is a symptom, not the problem.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

Roger Stone met with Trump associates hours before raid — and the FBI probably caught it all: CNN’s April Ryan

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Some guy on site of the Stone hearing:

Proud boys, some guy with a Russian flag and beat box blasting Back In The USSR, and this:

 

[Cindy Claveau]

 

[Lianne Marten]

I mean, sure, yes. But the sentiment beyond my statement was that only getting rid of him won't fix anything because a significant amount of people in this country are bigoted, xenophobic, short-sighted assholes who will just vote for the next demagogue to wander into their field of vision promising coal jobs and getting rid of brown people.

We need a systemic change to make sure that that horrible, awful minority can't take over the entire government every 2-4 years due to voter suppression, law rewriting, judicial interpretation, and broken electoral processes.

 

[danielravennest]

We need a systemic change to make sure that that horrible, awful minority can't take over the entire government every 2-4 years due to voter suppression, law rewriting, judicial interpretation, and broken electoral processes.

That change is happening, but unfortunately rather slowly. It is the demographic shift as the US becomes more diverse, or to put it bluntly, the old bigots are dying off. Trump's supporters skew older, whiter, and less educated. The younger generation is none of those. But a generational change takes exactly that - a generation - to run its course. In the mean time, the current administration is screwing up things so badly that 56% of registered voters will definitely not vote for Trump in 2020. That's a high enough number to lose despite electoral shenanigans.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Who is, or was, this?

Cabinet meetings do not consist of deliberations but of lectures, with much affectation, about fictitious conditions, and conclude with a long monologue by XXX , praising the achievements of the [XXX's title] in all strains.

Spoiler

Hans Frank, Hitler's Governor-General of the General Government, the area of Poland not annexed by either the Reich or the USSR. G. M. Gilbert, The Psychology of Dictatorship: Based on an Examination of the Leaders of Nazi Germany, quoted from Martin Winstone, The Dark Heart of Hitler's Europe: Poland: Nazi Rule in Poland under the General Government[/SPOILER]

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

That change is happening, but unfortunately rather slowly. It is the demographic shift as the US becomes more diverse, or to put it bluntly, the old bigots are dying off. Trump's supporters skew older, whiter, and less educated. The younger generation is none of those.

Alas, this is what we were telling each other in the '80s when we couldn't believe Reagan was elected.

Maybe people just get whiter and less well educated as they age.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Alas, this is what we were telling each other in the '80s when we couldn't believe Reagan was elected.

Maybe people just get whiter and less well educated as they age.

Less well educated for individuals I can buy ... I am sure if I was handed an exam from my college years I would find it tougher today. Demographics shifts in the country are something else though, no matter how much one person changes it does not alter that the country itself is changing in the other direction.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

In the mean time, the current administration is screwing up things so badly that 56% of registered voters will definitely not vote for Trump in 2020. That's a high enough number to lose despite electoral shenanigans.

Didn't Obama win with 45%?

 

[Jolene Benoir]

That change is happening, but unfortunately rather slowly. It is the demographic shift as the US becomes more diverse, or to put it bluntly, the old bigots are dying off. Trump's supporters skew older, whiter, and less educated. The younger generation is none of those. But a generational change takes exactly that - a generation - to run its course. In the mean time, the current administration is screwing up things so badly that 56% of registered voters will definitely not vote for Trump in 2020. That's a high enough number to lose despite electoral shenanigans.

The problem with that is twofold.

A) They are teaching their children/grandchildren to be the same. While, overall, younger people tend to skew more liberal, they still are retaining a certain amount of troglodytes in the younger population, as well.

B) Possibly even more important is that these folks recognize they are a dying breed so they are taking power by any means necessary. Stealing a presidency? Sure, why not? Committing human rights abuses at the border? Sure, why not. Denying the other team the right to legislate or appoint? Yep, happening (Supreme Court and outgoing Governors, etc...). Loading the courts with like minded people? Yep. Gerrrymandering the shit out of voting districts? Yep. Denying the right to vote? Yep. Using propaganda and outright lies to manipulate votes? Yep. Taking illegal election assistance from foreign countries, deep pockets? Yep.

Their goal is to retain ultimate power despite being a minority. History shows us it works and they are winning at the moment. We have a very small window in which we may be able to outvote them despite their abuses, before they have complete control. The 2020 election, if we are not able to prevent all of the above, may well be a defining point. We are going to have to mobilize people to counteract the abuses in a huge way. They got away with stealing a presidency, robbing the country blind and abusing human rights. They are surely going to push the envelope even further. Just when we believe that they cannot get any more crooked, they do.

 

[danielravennest]

Didn't Obama win with 45%?

2008 = 52.9% 2013 = 51.1%, so no.