#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

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Michael Cohen walked into court today and admitted he lied about the Trump crime family's ongoing negotiations to build Trump Tower Moscow during the election, and from there, the revelations keep coming. For example, Putin was offered a $50 million penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow.

Get your popcorn, it’s happening

The Trump Organization Planned To Give Vladimir Putin The $50 Million Penthouse In Trump Tower Moscow

President Donald Trump’s company planned to give a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated the luxury real estate development during the 2016 campaign, according to four people, one of them the originator of the plan.

Two US law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed News that Michael Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer at the time, discussed the idea with a representative of Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary.

This is so exciting! :freakout::freakout::freakout::freakout:
 

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Interesting point raised by Robert Mann (former U.S. Senate and gubernatorial staffer) that I think fits into this thread: What if Donald Trump loses and refuses to leave? | Opinion

A Congress that attempted to enforce the election outcome or its impeachment decision could not remove Trump from office if he resolved to stay. What official could get past the Secret Service to arrest and imprison a former president who refuses to abdicate? Does that mean defenders of democracy might have to storm the White House, overpower the former president's protectors and drag him from the building?

Laugh at this scenario, but two years ago you would have scoffed at the possibility of 95 percent of what Trump has done since Jan. 20. Consider also the recent speculation that Trump might fire special counsel Robert Mueller or pardon himself and current and former staff members if they are indicted. After Trump sacked FBI Director James Comey, these once-preposterous notions are now conventional wisdom. None of it should surprise anyone who's paid attention.

In the era of Trump, the obscene becomes normalized. What was unimaginable last year is next year's plausible nightmare. I pray it will not happen, but with Donald Trump as president, it would be foolish not to discuss it and prepare for just such a constitutional crisis.
 

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Since Cristiano brought up the Deutsche Bank incident in here, there is one single sentence in an article at Bloomberg that perfectly sums up all this mess (or all these messes):
"Still, when one Deutsche Bank veteran in New York was asked about the police raid on Thursday, he pointed first to his bonus, saying he’s worried that the year-end payout will wither again"

That attitude is what it's all about.

Source:
For Deutsche Bank Bonus, Raid Is ‘Nightmare With Eyes Wide Open’
 
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Yeah no ... he cannot pardon someone before they're actually convicted. Nor could he issue a pardon for himself if he is convicted as once that happens, he is legally no longer the President.

The Secret Service is tasked with protecting current and former Presidents and their families - not Presidents convicted of crimes warranting their removal from office/being stripped of the office.

He has no legal choice in the matter.

He can try to resist but at that point the Secret Service or military ought to be "escorting" him out.
 

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A conviction is not necessary for a pardon. A formal charge is not necessary. Andrew Johnson issused a blanket pardon for the entire Confederate military and political leadership at a time when the only pending charges were against Jefferson Davis.
 

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Of course he is saying "it was not a crime for me to have dealings with Russia".

Way to miss the point and deflect donnie. The crime was in lying to congress. Mueller is looking for collusion and this gives it to him.
 

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A conviction is not necessary for a pardon. A formal charge is not necessary. Andrew Johnson issused a blanket pardon for the entire Confederate military and political leadership at a time when the only pending charges were against Jefferson Davis.
And, more recently,
[....] I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.

GERALD R. FORD
Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library and Museum
 

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A conviction is not necessary for a pardon. A formal charge is not necessary. Andrew Johnson issused a blanket pardon for the entire Confederate military and political leadership at a time when the only pending charges were against Jefferson Davis.
M'kay, cool.

It is debatable if such a pardon would hold up today - which is the point. He could try .... but it would not be binding - at all.
 
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