How COVID-19 is affecting society

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Now they're saying that wearing or not wearing masks is political speech so a mask mandate violates the first amendment. WHAT THE ACTUAL FANCY ROTATING FUCK?
From what i can find about the definition of speech in constitutional law, they'd have to prove that everyone who wears a mask is doing so to express some political view and not for health reasons, and similarly for mask mandates. Regurgitating the same COVID-denying or anti-mask crap they've been spewing so fast isn't going to cut it. I don't understand how they think they'd prove political motive on behalf of a governor or mayor either. "Because they're a Democrat" wouldn't be enough.
Masks such as MTG wears, however, are political speech, so is she going to stop?
 
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I'm lost for words, I really am.


This isn't a small group of cranks. This is the IOC and the Japanese government and all the organisations and governments and NGOs and and everyone else involved blithely sleepwalking over a precipice.

Haven't they seen what's happening in India and how that variant is spreading?
 

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British doctors losing their jobs because they have "long Covid"


The Office for National Statistics last month estimated that 1.1 million Britons have long Covid. It found that 122,000 healthcare workers were affected, more than any other type of employee, and ahead of teachers and other education staff (114,000) and social care personnel (31,000).
 
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Battling corona, Boris Johnson style: the UK has just recenlty discarded the face mask duty in schools. So far the development looked promising, if not that pesky Indian variation would have had occured. If Bojo now reintroduces face mask duty in school it would look like that the battle is not over yet. And that's he does not want to do!

But now the new Indian mutant is on its rise. A mutant which has caused Singapore to close schools entirely. Teachers and unions are worried about it, and want to get informed in official reports about it more.

So how to solve that problem? Simple: just don't publish any information about that mutant! A mutant which is know to especially infect children a lot.

Jon Richards, head of education for Unison, said the union has repeatedly asked for this data for weeks. “We were told it would be in the report last Thursday but it wasn’t. We were then told it would be published this week but that report has simply not appeared. In the meantime, the government has gone and lifted the rule on face coverings.”

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London, said the situation was very troubling. “It feels like bad news that we’re not being told.

“There is a narrative that schools are safe but the data clearly shows this variant can and does spread in schools. Two weeks ago, the Singaporean health minister closed schools because of the risk of greater spread in children of this variant.

“Parents, teachers and children just need this information in order to take steps to keep themselves and their communities safe. The new variant is the biggest threat to the roadmap according to Sage, but the data is just not coming out in a transparent and timely manner. I just feel like PHE is letting us down at a crucial time.”



BoJo seems to care more about making a fake impression than about the life of the children under his care.
 

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Battling corona, Boris Johnson style: the UK has just recenlty discarded the face mask duty in schools. So far the development looked promising, if not that pesky Indian variation would have had occured. If Bojo now reintroduces face mask duty in school it would look like that the battle is not over yet. And that's he does not want to do!

But now the new Indian mutant is on its rise. A mutant which has caused Singapore to close schools entirely. Teachers and unions are worried about it, and want to get informed in official reports about it more.

So how to solve that problem? Simple: just don't publish any information about that mutant! A mutant which is know to especially infect children a lot.

Jon Richards, head of education for Unison, said the union has repeatedly asked for this data for weeks. “We were told it would be in the report last Thursday but it wasn’t. We were then told it would be published this week but that report has simply not appeared. In the meantime, the government has gone and lifted the rule on face coverings.”

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London, said the situation was very troubling. “It feels like bad news that we’re not being told.

“There is a narrative that schools are safe but the data clearly shows this variant can and does spread in schools. Two weeks ago, the Singaporean health minister closed schools because of the risk of greater spread in children of this variant.

“Parents, teachers and children just need this information in order to take steps to keep themselves and their communities safe. The new variant is the biggest threat to the roadmap according to Sage, but the data is just not coming out in a transparent and timely manner. I just feel like PHE is letting us down at a crucial time.”



BoJo seems to care more about making a fake impression than about the life of the children under his care.
Yes, but you have to remember that we wear masks to primarily to protect others, not ourselves. That's why I continue to be very careful to wear a mask even though I'm probably as immune as I'm ever going to be, since it's now three weeks since my second shot of AstraZeneca.

So, much as I despise Boris Johnson and his government, of whom the Education Secretary, Gavin Williamson, is one of the worst members (the joke is, I am told, that he's unsackable while Priti Patel is still Home Secretary, because that's too senior to be held the least competent member of the Cabinet), I'm not completely sure about your take on this.

Unison represent educational support staff (everyone but teachers, really), and they are rightly very concerned about the health and welfare of their members, who, as adults, are far more at risk from any known variant of Covid-19 than are the pupils, whom Unison want to wear masks to protect the teaching support stuff, the cooks, cleaners, maintenance workers, secretarial staff, and so on, whom they represent from being infected by asymptomatic pupils.

Similarly, there are apparently very real concerns that pupils may well become infected at school and, on their return home, infect older members of their families, who will then themselves spread the infection now that social distancing and the lockdown are at last being relaxed here.

So while caution about relaxing the requirement on school students to wear masks (a requirement which as apparently proved unpopular and difficult to enforce) is fully justified, we should remember that the requirement is there primarily to protect adults, not the students themselves.

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It really shouldn't be a case of "Won't somebody please think of the children" so much as "Won't somebody please think of the school support staff and the children's older relatives and contacts?"
 

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On Saturday, [the IOC President, Thomas] Bach, who has been criticised for referring to the “resilience” of the Japanese people, told a meeting of the International Hockey Federation: “The athletes definitely can make their Olympic dreams come true. We have to make some sacrifices to make this possible.”

While it was not clear to whom Bach was referring when he called for sacrifices to be made, many assumed he had the Japanese public in mind.
 

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From a tweetstorm by Dominic Cummings, in advance of his appearance before a Commons Select Committee on Wednesday, where he's expected to knife his old boss some more

 
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Someone must have forgotten to send me the memo. All this time I've been waiting for lockdown 1 to end and now you tell me there's been two more lockdowns when the first one never ended?

Or is this about the UK? Apologies if I've gotten info mixed up. Too much has happened since 2016 to keep up with it all and keep it sorted. I don't even know who Dominic Cummings is and I don't really want to know. Life is depressing enough as it is without adding more stupid human tricks to it.
 
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Someone must have forgotten to send me the memo. All this time I've been waiting for lockdown 1 to end and now you tell me there's been two more lockdowns when the first one never ended?

Or is this about the UK? Apologies if I've gotten info mixed up. Too much has happened since 2016 to keep up with it all and keep it sorted. I don't even know who Dominic Cummings is and I don't really want to know. Life is depressing enough as it is without adding more stupid human tricks to it.
This is about the UK. Dominic Cummings was the mastermind behind Vote Leave, and later Johnson's senior Special Advisor in Downing Street until they spectacularly fell out late last year.

He's giving evidence to the House of Commons on Wednesday at which he is expected to produce what he and friendly journalists, at least, consider damning evidence that Boris Johnson is as bad as we all know he is, but this time it's in writing.

He has a long history of being hired by, and then fighting with and being fired by, senior Conservative politicians here, and it's always horribly messy.

As The Times points out, he helped destroy both Iain Duncan Smith and David Cameron as Conservative leaders, and he's now trying to do the same to Boris Johnson.

The problem for the Tories is that Cummings is an ideologue, but not a Conservative one, and he's very bright (though not as bright as he thinks he is, since that would be impossible), somewhat crazy, and completely uninterested in public office or becoming even wealthier than he is already (father-in-law notoriously owns a castle).


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I first met Dominic Cummings in 2003, when he was working for Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leader at the time. I was a reporter; he was the party’s director of strategy and he was astonishingly rude about his boss.

Over drinks at the Cinnamon Club in Westminster, Cummings denounced the man he was working for as “a muppet”. Duncan Smith was, he went on, completely out of his depth and surrounded by idiots. Even by the backbiting standards of Westminster, it was an extraordinary act of disloyalty. Within weeks, Cummings had resigned and written an article describing Duncan Smith as “incompetent” and insisting that he must be replaced. The Conservative leader, he added contemptuously, was “the symptom rather than cause of a party desperately short of the political essentials: understanding, talent, will and adaptation”.
Cummings was equally excoriating about David Cameron when Alice Thomson and I interviewed him for The Times in 2014. He had just quit as an adviser to Michael Gove at the Department for Education, and he did not hold back in his criticisms of the prime minister. Cameron was “a sphinx without a riddle” who “bumbles from one shambles to another without the slightest sense of purpose”, he said. “To get anything done you have to have priorities and there are no priorities.” He almost felt sorry for the civil servants. “The poor buggers are caught between structural dysfunction and politicians running around who don’t really know what they’re doing all day or what the purpose of their being in power is.” Downing Street was a “shambolic court” staffed by “third-rate, suck-up-kick-down, sycophant” aides. “Everyone is discouraged from telling the truth to important people... There’s no grip, no focus.”
He's like Steve Bannon only effective.
 

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Why is it, when I say I don't want to know or I don't want to hear it, they tell me anyway? :ROFLMAO:

Yes, I am laughing in RL because other half does this to me all the time and it makes me wanna choke him. lol
 
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Why is it, when I say I don't want to know or I don't want to hear it, they tell me anyway? :ROFLMAO:

Yes, I am laughing in RL because other half does this to me all the time and it makes me wanna choke him. lol
I did it in case anyone else was wondering who he was :)

Americans should be aware (and beware) of Cummings, though -- through Vote Leave he was very much tied up with Cambridge Analytica and the Mercers, though fortunately he will regard most US Conservatives with even more contempt than he has for their British counterparts, and he's already got plenty of money and doesn't seem terribly interested in becoming even wealthier.

He's dangerous as an employee because his attitude is, if you hire him as your principal advisor but don't follow his advice, you're wasting not only your money, in which he's not particularly interested, but also his time, which he wants to use to pursue his one ideological agenda, then you become part of the problem to which he sees himself as the solution, so he's going to deal with you as he deals with all other political problems.
 
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Someone must have forgotten to send me the memo. All this time I've been waiting for lockdown 1 to end and now you tell me there's been two more lockdowns when the first one never ended?
Personally speaking, I've been in a total lockdown since March of 2020, only recently starting to slack off. We got to see my brother & family last week and planning one more at the end of June. That's it, nobody else. And everybody is vaccinated, including the primary schoolers over 12.

Still looking for a 2x4 to bean my son for refusing to be vaccinated. I told him that until he is, we sadly cannot invite him to family gatherings.
 

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I did it in case anyone else was wondering who he was :)

Americans should be aware (and beware) of Cummings, though -- through Vote Leave he was very much tied up with Cambridge Analytica and the Mercers, though fortunately he will regard most US Conservatives with even more contempt than he has for their British counterparts, and he's already got plenty of money and doesn't seem terribly interested in becoming even wealthier.

He's dangerous as an employee because his attitude is, if you hire him as your principal advisor but don't follow his advice, you're wasting not only your money, in which he's not particularly interested, but also his time, which he wants to use to pursue his one ideological agenda, then you become part of the problem to which he sees himself as the solution, so he's going to deal with you as he deals with all other political problems.
lol The spoiler really wasn't necessary. I mean, the horse (my brain) has already left the barn (my head). 🤭

So you're basically saying he's the sort that deals with problems by not dealing with them? Depending on what his one ideological agenda is?

Sounds like the sort I'd avoid to begin with. I'm not interested in running around with a target painted on my back.
 

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Personally speaking, I've been in a total lockdown since March of 2020, only recently starting to slack off. We got to see my brother & family last week and planning one more at the end of June. That's it, nobody else. And everybody is vaccinated, including the primary schoolers over 12.

Still looking for a 2x4 to bean my son for refusing to be vaccinated. I told him that until he is, we sadly cannot invite him to family gatherings.
I feel you. I think I stopped counting after 20 years. Haven't seen any family in 15 years and haven't spoken to any of them in 3 years now. Obviously not due to Covid though.

We have some old lumber that was left behind and there's this one section about 4 feet long... :unsure:🤭
 
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