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[Spirits Rising]

And another swing/miss from you.

Any time someone attempts to look at the wider picture and brings up last cycle's tactics ... you dismiss it out of hand. There's no discussion there.

I stayed out of the thread - beyond occasional reactions - up until now. No "white knighting" there!

Your reactions and responses as well as your repeated, quite erroneous assumptions on my motives, words etc show rather well that the only discussion you seem (note that word, it is important) to be interested in is that which lines up with the idea that your chosen candidate was/is being targeted in such a way as to prevent his being nominated.

You're planning on voting for whomever gets the nomination, during the actual Election? Great!

You understand that even if someone like Bernie were to be elected that there's fuck all they could do without getting each and every Republican out of office as well? Lovely! Act like it.

We've got a lot more work to do than just putting someone into the President's chair.

That's my concern - above nearly all else.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Here, Cristalle. I'm not going to type it again. Why would I bother, when you are intent upon spinning your own damn narrative that it was only memes. I believe Sal even laid out exact links to the information for you, as well. But you continue with this shit. You leave it for a bit, then you're back to spinning.

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Yes, as you wrote earlier Russia did not and is not putting its eggs in one basket. They were able to penetrate and possibly alter voter information (dunno if related, but my info was different after having voted at the same polling location for 25 years), they injected malicious SQL code into State and local election offices as well as the makers of voting machines, they funneled money via the NRA, they worked with Assange to release the DNC hack, they worked with Manafort to receive crucial polling data in four swing states (Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota), they worked with and/or received voter information via Cambridge Analytica, and of course used that data for targeted ads/postings on every social site such as Twitter, FB, Reddit, etc...You name it, the Internet Research Agency was on it.

Do we really believe that after such a successful operation and with not only the barn door left wide open now, but an invite and blocking of security measures that they wouldn't take it further, much further?

But sure, it's just some FB posts that only grandma shares, right?

 

[Jolene Benoir]

It couldn't possibly be because you have a bias that is clouding your vision, now could it? Oh no! You're as unbiased as they come, aren't you?

Own your bias, own your bullshit.

Good job missing the mark once more, by the by. You do not get to complain about other users reading into your posts when you do the exact same thing. See, I'm responding to what you have said - over the last few months. Choose your words a bit more carefully and perhaps you won't have nearly as many problems.

She's probably still watching tools like Jimmy Dore.

 

[Cristalle]

Here, Cristalle. I'm not going to type it again. Why would I bother, when you are intent upon spinning your own damn narrative that it was only memes.

I never said it was ONLY memes and I said so back then. That's you putting words into my mouth. My quibble with the memes is limited only to the memes. I am not arguing a larger narrative than that. My point is that if people are so concerned about opinion manipulation then they should be more concerned about the liar being propped up by her media friends than the trolls.

 

[Spirits Rising]

She's probably still watching tools like Jimmy Dore.

Honestly, I don't really give a damn who she - or anyone else - watches as long as they remember to stick to facts/reality and keep the bigger picture in mind.

 

[Cristalle]

And another swing/miss from you.

Any time someone attempts to look at the wider picture and brings up last cycle's tactics ... you dismiss it out of hand. There's no discussion there.

I stayed out of the thread - beyond occasional reactions - up until now. No "white knighting" there!

Your reactions and responses as well as your repeated, quite erroneous assumptions on my motives, words etc show rather well that the only discussion you seem (note that word, it is important) to be interested in is that which lines up with the idea that your chosen candidate was/is being targeted in such a way as to prevent his being nominated.

You're planning on voting for whomever gets the nomination, during the actual Election? Great!

You understand that even if someone like Bernie were to be elected that there's fuck all they could do without getting each and every Republican out of office as well? Lovely! Act like it.

We've got a lot more work to do than just putting someone into the President's chair.

That's my concern - above nearly all else.

I don't need you lecturing me about how to act. We can disagree on issues and we certainly do. But go fuck yourself with the "act like.." bullshit.

 

[Spirits Rising]

You do realize that what you choose to fixate on and respond to in my posts is speaking volumes .... right?

 

[Cristalle]

You do realize that what you choose to fixate on and respond to in my posts is speaking volumes .... right?

Yeah. The fact that you think you have some right to talk to me like I'm your fucking kid. I don't care if you disagree with me on issues, but don't fucking presume to tell me what to do.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Honestly, I don't really give a damn who she - or anyone else - watches as long as they remember to stick to facts/reality and keep the bigger picture in mind.

Not happening.

 

[Spirits Rising]

Nowhere have I responded to you as if you were a child - mine or anyone else's. You may take it that way but that is on you alone.

I am responding to you as though you are an adult who needs to be reminded of how they are coming across.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I never said it was ONLY memes and I said so back then. That's you putting words into my mouth. My quibble with the memes is limited only to the memes. I am not arguing a larger narrative than that. My point is that if people are so concerned about opinion manipulation then they should be more concerned about the liar being propped up by her media friends than the trolls.

No? What do you call these posts to be followed by your garbage jpg?

Funny how people can dismiss well-connected people who have network contacts in the media for days and yet get bugs up their ass about a few memes on Facebook or Twitter.

Fuck yourself up the ass with a cactus. You're the idiot worried about abstract memes suppressing votes when the obvious meddling to shape the media narrative from a well-connected and influential person in the party is right in front of our faces. Our media functions like state media a lot of the time, with vigorous discussion within certain bounds. They manufacture consent all the time. If Hillary got a concussion and then decided to stop lying and pushing the Bernie hurt me because he didn't roll over right away even though he did 4x as much as I did for Obama narrative, public opinion would shift. But she keeps it up for that very reason.

 

[Cristalle]

Nowhere have I responded to you as if you were a child - mine or anyone else's. You may take it that way but that is on you alone.

I am responding to you as though you are an adult who needs to be reminded of how they are coming across.

Yeah, tell yourself that. You tell me to "act like" whatever. Really, fuck off with that. Stick to the fucking issues.

 

[Cristalle]

No? What do you call these posts to be followed by your garbage jpg?

I call them talking only about memes, not tampering with voting machines and registration rolls, the more serious threats.

 

[Spirits Rising]

A relative rarity here ... Jolene, considering our own forum past, I'll trust your judgement here: Am I really coming across as described?

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I call them talking only about memes, not tampering with voting machines and registration rolls, the more serious threats.

It is rather convenient that you "regularly" choose to focus upon memes, without ever mentioning a word about the other myriads methods. One might even begin to think that was the purpose.

 

[Cristalle]

It is rather convenient that you "regularly" choose to focus upon memes, without ever mentioning a word about the other myriads methods. One might even begin to think that was the purpose.

And what nefarious narrative are you spinning now? So "convenient" - wtf?

I don't see why I am obligated to talk about the other methods, to bend over backward to do that. We don't have to discuss every single fucking thing to have a conversation. If I'm speaking on a topic, I may talk about a related topic. Since the subject of Hillary Clinton came up, I am talking about her efforts to manipulate opinion. Manipulating opinion is not the same as tampering with voter rolls or and voting machines, why should I have to discuss that?

 

[Jolene Benoir]

A relative rarity here ... Jolene, considering our own forum past, I'll trust your judgement here: Am I really coming across as described?

I think that you are exasperated with the same old shit by the same actors. Sometimes you come across as harsh, but you knew that, as does everyone else here. I think that it isn't going to matter what you say, your method (or perceived method) of delivery is always going to be used as a means to discredit what you are saying.

The same happened with Sal.

ETA: Some people use tone in an argument to discredit that content of the argument. Meanwhile, some of the very same people can be incredibly ugly in their own right, but that's okay because of the halo above their head.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

And what nefarious narrative are you spinning now? So "convenient" - wtf?

I don't see why I am obligated to talk about the other methods, to bend over backward to do that. We don't have to discuss every single fucking thing to have a conversation. If I'm speaking on a topic, I may talk about a related topic. Since the subject of Hillary Clinton came up, I am talking about her efforts to manipulate opinion. Manipulating opinion is not the same as tampering with voter rolls or and voting machines, why should I have to discuss that?

Yes, of course you don't see because that doesn't fit your narrative of continuing to push the idea that only a few memes were how Russia meddled in our election.

That IS part of the topic. I am beginning to believe that you deliberately are leaving out the entire picture. Why is that?

 

[Cristalle]

Yes, of course you don't see because that doesn't fit your narrative of continuing to push the idea that only a few memes were how Russia meddled in our election.

That IS part of the topic. I am beginning to believe that you deliberately are leaving out the entire picture. Why is that?

For God's sake, I am trying to have a focused conversation. If you want to have an omnibus thread about Russian meddling, then the discussion would be different. The fact that you are here spinning ulterior motives beyond that is why I posted that pic. Are you trying to call me a Russian bot? You'd be proving the point, if you were.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

For God's sake, I am trying to have a focused conversation. If you want to have an omnibus thread about Russian meddling, then the discussion would be different. The fact that you are here spinning ulterior motives beyond that is why I posted that pic. Are you trying to call me a Russian bot? You'd be proving the point, if you were.

You CANNOT divorce the entire collective means of meddling in our election from memes. You simply can't. I am saying to you that your repeated attempts to imply that only memes were an issue is very instructive and enlightening into your mindset or, perhaps, agenda.

LMAO @ you thinking I'm calling you a russian bot! That is really how you think?

OMG, you are far down some hole.