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Yes all you louts, unite behind Bernie.
And again, that ignores that some of the people who voted for HRC or Twitler were also not Republicans or Democrats. Independents are the biggest single block and neither party either knows how to win us over nor even cares.
The press keeps portraying the indies as closet Trumpists, which is misleading, but tells us something about the press.And again, that ignores that some of the people who voted for HRC or Twitler were also not Republicans or Democrats. Independents are the biggest single block and neither party either knows how to win us over nor even cares.
[Not mad at you, just tired of all sides ignoring that indies are the ones who can make a difference [that and removing the electoral college]
What are you talking about? Hillary isn’t running. If you really want to vote for Trump, no one is stopping you. I just think it is suicidal for anyone who isn’t in the .01%.I don't know. When the UK united under one message, they became very easy to manipulate. Look what they got and look at what they lost.
Is it really a good idea to risk forcing this election to be about defending the choices made from the last one?
I’ll be voting anyway, of course, but it is very frustrating, especially since we’re going purple.Here in Arizona, Buttigieg is leading polls and leading in head to head vs Trump.
But because we are not Wisconsin, Ohio or Florida our vote doesn't matter.
Same here in West Virginia. But if the primary vote count is split going into the Democratic convention, if no one candidate hits the magic number, then 2020 could be a very interesting year.But because we are not Wisconsin, Ohio or Florida our vote doesn't matter.
We've been calling it ABT (Anyone But Trump) for a couple of years now. I sort of have a preference for some of the candidates, but I will campaign for whoever gets the nomination, because they are all better than what we have now.Unite behind whoever can get him out.
Depending on where you live that is often the truth though. If you talk about the presidential elections most states are foregone conclusions. Some of them can still swing in their results but if a state is ALWAYS highly blue or red (like 90% one party is a good bet) people in that state are better off doing get-out-the-vote efforts elsewhere, even if they wind up not being able to vote in their home states because of that effort.People will say, “My vote doesn’t matter” while Representatives get elected by margins in the mere thousands.
I can understand despair, but campaigning isn’t going to change that. People need to turn off the TV and talk to their neighbors. That might change something. The Dems need to improve their local game in a lot of places, and they are not doing it, or seeing it as a long-term investment.
I do wish people would get more involved locally. That’s what builds up the machine to elect Mayors and Governors. It’s the difference between a place like Vermont and places where religions run things, because they’re most of what is organized on the ground.Depending on where you live that is often the truth though. If you talk about the presidential elections most states are foregone conclusions. Some of them can still swing in their results but if a state is ALWAYS highly blue or red (like 90% one party is a good bet) people in that state are better off doing get-out-the-vote efforts elsewhere, even if they wind up not being able to vote in their home states because of that effort.
As to legislators, well, not all US citizens even HAVE one. Yes, more than 2 centuries after the revolutionary war there is still taxation without representation. Even without that fact though, whoever is your legislators know probably will be until they themselves decide to stop running. Not always, but it is a pretty good bet, how do you think we get senators/reps that have held the same seat for decades?
Federal elections are royally messed up. Campaigning for a local position has a better rate of return.
If you have anything like a long term plan and don't belong to the 0.1% upholding the status quo is suicidal too. Some Trump voters went for him because he breaks things (apparently the only promise he can keep). Civil wars are big equalizers. It is a brutal logic but it puts the American Dream back in reach, don't underestimate desperation as a motivator.What are you talking about? Hillary isn’t running. If you really want to vote for Trump, no one is stopping you. I just think it is suicidal for anyone who isn’t in the .01%.
I can’t support anyone who wants civil war or any other form of self-imposed collapse. This will not get the country back for us. In a high-tech state, it will lead to a prison state. We’re halfway there already.If you have anything like a long term plan and don't belong to the 0.1% upholding the status quo is suicidal too. Some Trump voters went for him because he breaks things (apparently the only promise he can keep). Civil wars are big equalizers. It is a brutal logic but it puts the American Dream back in reach, don't underestimate desperation as a motivator.