Democratic Party Presidential Candidates for 2020

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This is ridiculous. The last five won't even make the debate stage.
My guess is some of them are angling for Vice-President, or a cabinet position (like Hillary got under Obama). Some just want a hearing for their pet policy. Others are just using it as a fund-raising move. You can't keep the money you raise for yourself, but you can apply it to another campaign, like re-election for your current office. It takes a lot of hubris to run for President, but politics is full of people like that. So some of them just think too much of themselves.

Like I have said before, the herd will get thinned a lot, as the realities of fundraising, getting on the primary ballots in all the states, and media attention, or lack thereof determine who are the serious candidates, and who are the also-ran.
 

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Seems a sizable number of Bernie supporters haven't learned from 2016:

Or the poll is being misread, or made up to get us at each other's throats.... Which again, I know a lot of people who were or are Bernie supports, and not a one said they'd vote for Trump [and no small number were fairly upset he won at the fact, before he was even sworn in] It might be a small sampling, but I'd wager that there is at least some misdirection [along with Warren is pro-Israel and pro-war, or that Harris is some evil prosecuter, or....] someone benefits from us being at our throats, or I'd say about 1% does. So, I'm handing out free blocks of salt. Its useful for most news stories and has been for at least 30 years. More so now that our news comes primarily from so few actual sources. Yay big media conglomerates.
 

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At this point I'm less concerned that they would vote for Trump if Bernie didn't get the nomination and would instead refuse to support whoever did get it and vote third party, which would have the same effect and be 2016 all over again with Jill Stein and others.
 

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That is so 1337!
Except in Rital!

I tend to regard linguistics as a hobby (not how to speak them though, while I see it polite to know how to greet people in their language or say thanks no WAY can I remember a long list of words in other languages). Anyway, I once had an assignment to do a report on another language so obviously had a question .... could I create one first. I used ascii for the inspiration of how conversations would work, hexadecimal for each 2 character word and the 256 sublanguages and, as a joke, leet as a pronunciation guide for the 2-character words.

It was only as an afterthought that I mapped one of the sublanguages to english equivalents. I was having WAY too much fun working out the language structure!

[edit: Oh, the language thing is another reason why it is basically a coin flip whether I like Sanders or Pete better.]
 

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Or the poll is being misread, or made up to get us at each other's throats.... Which again, I know a lot of people who were or are Bernie supports, and not a one said they'd vote for Trump [and no small number were fairly upset he won at the fact, before he was even sworn in] It might be a small sampling, but I'd wager that there is at least some misdirection [along with Warren is pro-Israel and pro-war, or that Harris is some evil prosecuter, or....] someone benefits from us being at our throats, or I'd say about 1% does. So, I'm handing out free blocks of salt. Its useful for most news stories and has been for at least 30 years. More so now that our news comes primarily from so few actual sources. Yay big media conglomerates.
A quick google saw this:


I am not sure if that article is accurate or not. While 356 is low you CAN get accurate data with a small sample but it depends what your sample is. For example, if your sample is heavily weighted towards one population or area that can heavily influence your numbers more than a larger sample would.
 

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According to the article, the poll was landline only. I am not a millennial, but we ditched our landline a few years back. It is nearly impossible to get a good sample given the small size and the lack of cellphones.
 

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According to the article, the poll was landline only. I am not a millennial, but we ditched our landline a few years back. It is nearly impossible to get a good sample given the small size and the lack of cellphones.
Yeah, the only reason I have a landline is because my cable company made me take it. The outgoing message says nobody checks it and the last I knew it was full of junk calls. Even my parents and inlaws have smartphones.
 
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Seems a sizable number of Bernie supporters haven't learned from 2016:

1. No one is entitled to those votes.
2. Bernie attracted people who were not Democrats.
3. There are always going to be third-party voters that do not like either party.
4. If he loses, he needs to lose fair and square. If it is seen as being biased/rigged like last time, that will float like a brick.
5. The sky hasn't fallen, so 4 more years of Trump may not be untenable to some people. (I don't agree but this is the argument)
6. Trump still represents a middle finger to the whole system. They are not looking for status quo ante Trump.
 
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The world's worst-kept secret is now official. Joe Biden Announces 2020 Run for President
I get confused easily, I admit. I don't have anything against Biden as it is, but he's been in politics for so long that he needed to build an addition onto his skeleton closet going all the way back to Anita Hill. Couple that with his compulsive hugging problem and I despair that there's actually a visible, winnable candidate in the field. :(

Don't get me wrong. I like how he started his campaign, calling out Trumpalump and challenging America to do better. I like him personally (groping aside) but I'm still not convinced that we Dems can't do bettter with a non-white old man running.

If he wins the nomination, I will vote for him just like I voted for Hillary after helping campaign for Bernie. It's not distaste I'm feeling. It's discomfort.
 
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