Democratic Party Presidential Candidates for 2020

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Policy is my thing. His ad is nice but is all platitudes. I want to see what he is going to propose that will move the country forward. What is he going to do about the ACA? Would he support Medicare for All? (I think that's an obvious no) And I want more restraint in our foreign interventions. "I'm not Trump" or "Trump is unfit" lost in 2016. People do not want status quo ante Trump.
 
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The guy who can't string together a coherent sentence without help is doubting Biden has the intelligence to run. 🤣🤣🤣
There is a higher intelligence requirement to win the democrat primary, lol.

Back when Biden was more directly in the spotlight, he was very notorious for being the gaff master. I think that reputation subsided a bit with him being a little behind the scenes. I think it will come out during debates.
 

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I'm just really getting tired of all these men coming out to run, after several highly qualified women announced -they- were running. It just feels kind of ... no, completely insulting, to suggest they couldn't win. They could, if they got some proper support, instead of being run against. [Yes, this is my big issue with Sanders, and why I'm just not feeling the Bern this cycle].
 
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I'm just really getting tired of all these men coming out to run, after several highly qualified women announced -they- were running. It just feels kind of ... no, completely insulting, to suggest they couldn't win. They could, if they got some proper support, instead of being run against. [Yes, this is my big issue with Sanders, and why I'm just not feeling the Bern this cycle].
My feeling is that they're doing this precisely to deny Bernie the nomination, to push the delegate count to a second round where the superdelegates can come in. Most of these people have very little name recognition, but they can all siphon off a few percentage points here and there, especially in their home states. If they get 15% they can keep their delegates.
 

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I'm just really getting tired of all these men coming out to run, after several highly qualified women announced -they- were running. It just feels kind of ... no, completely insulting, to suggest they couldn't win. They could, if they got some proper support, instead of being run against. [Yes, this is my big issue with Sanders, and why I'm just not feeling the Bern this cycle].
And your point is? That's what is being called democracy, anybody can throw his hat in the ring if he wants to, that's competition,, one of the pillars of democracy.

If a man would come up with the same argument you just made, I can ensure that many woman would be angry as hell.

Where I do agree so is that somebody already 76 years old should better enjoy sunset years with his family.
 
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My feeling is that they're doing this precisely to deny Bernie the nomination, to push the delegate count to a second round where the superdelegates can come in. Most of these people have very little name recognition, but they can all siphon off a few percentage points here and there, especially in their home states. If they get 15% they can keep their delegates.
Except that, there were already good candidates before Bernie decided that only he could defeat Twitler [his reason was 'I'll only run if I think I'm the only one who could beat him' he said it at least on Colbert, if not other places]. Then a bunch of other men decided they needed to run too, one would suppose for the same reason.
And your point is? That's what is being called democracy, anybody can throw his hat in the ring if he wants to, that's competition,, one of the pillars of democracy.

If a man would come up with the same argument you just made, I can ensure that many woman would be angry as hell.

Where I do agree so is that somebody already 76 years old should better enjoy sunset years with his family.
Maybe that's exactly WHY I'm angry, and growing more furious every day. We do not have time for a clown car this election. And the general attitude of these men is pretty crap on top of it. And I'm not even annoyed at the men who might have already thrown their hats in [I think there was one or two at the beginning?] but the ones who suddenly decided they were 'Born for this', or they are the only ones who can win. So save me your duck-billed platitudes and whataboutism, please.
 

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1. No one is entitled to those votes.
2. Bernie attracted people who were not Democrats.
3. There are always going to be third-party voters that do not like either party.
4. If he loses, he needs to lose fair and square. If it is seen as being biased/rigged like last time, that will float like a brick.
5. The sky hasn't fallen, so 4 more years of Trump may not be untenable to some people. (I don't agree but this is the argument)
6. Trump still represents a middle finger to the whole system. They are not looking for status quo ante Trump.
Yes, nobody is entitled to someone else's vote. Particularly in the primaries.

What REALLY vexed me in 2016 was people insisting I HAD to vote for HRC in the general. This is in DC .... where donnie got 5% .... and absolutely nobody (excepting him) was surprised. If there is anywhere where 'ypur vote does not matter' it is here. That does mean the DC electoral votes will be for the D nominee anyway, but it still means individual votes here do not matter.

Currently I am going back and forth between Mayor Pete and Bernie. They both have plus and minuses. Either way though, I most likely will vote for the dem nominee in the generals but reserve the right to support an indy.
 

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I’m leaning more Warren or Harris every day. The voters have changed enough that I think a woman can win. It’s the press that’s back in the caveman era and that’s a problem.
I like both Warren and Harris a lot. I lean more towards Harris, but of course would vote for Warren. A comfortable majority of voters say they would consider voting for a woman and Hilary did win the popular vote last time. I don't think HRC was this perfect dream candidate who only lost because she was a woman such that no other woman could have done better. There are a lot of things that went wrong during that campaign. One of them was that the campaign wasted resources in deep red states in the final days of the election for some bizarre reason. The previous 20 years of right wing propaganda against her didn't help either.

I'm just really getting tired of all these men coming out to run, after several highly qualified women...
I certainly agree with what you are trying to say and that the field is way too crowded already. That said, I think one of the things that went wrong with Hilary's campaign was that so many of her supporters seemed to think that the entire concept of "qualifications' was more persuasive than it is. Vladimir Putin is a profoundly experienced and qualified politician but I still think he is horrible for Russia and the entire world. A lot of right wing nut jobs are also very "qualified."

So much of leadership comes from personality traits and not just what they know. The ability to learn and adapt is also just as important as qualifications. I really don't care who the more qualified politician is and a lot of voters never did either. Less experienced candidates beat more experienced ones all the time. "Qualifications" was never a winning argument.

Biden is more experienced than Harris, but I know who I like more!
 
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