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Romana

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So... What are the entrance requirements for immigrating to Canada?
I wouldn't believe that Saavedra but if he told me the sky was blue.
And the "accurate prediction model" let us down rather badly here: And can donnie run for re-election from inside a padded cell? Or one with iron bars?
 

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You mean the compromised OPCW document that was leaked, which came up with results opposite to what the official report said?

What Happened in Douma? Searching for Facts in the Fog of Syria’s Propaganda War
Here is the full text of what Tulsi has said on this issue:

Tulsi Gabbard said:
There is evidence that both the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad as well as the armed opposition groups aligned against him have used chemical weapons (CW) during the Syrian war.

I have in the past expressed skepticism as to the actual source of two specific chemical weapons attacks: one at Khan Sheikhun on April 4, 2017, and the other at Douma on April 7, 2018. Both attacks occurred in towns under the control of al-Qaeda-linked opposition forces. Both attacks resulted in multiple civilian casualties, and both were immediately blamed on the Assad government. However, there is evidence to suggest that the attacks may have been staged by opposition forces for the purpose of drawing the United States and the West deeper into the war.

It is the responsibility of Congress to declare war and to make decisions regarding the carrying out of military action against other countries. Therefore, as a member of Congress as well as a soldier, I'm committed to protecting our constitution and the constitutional process. I therefore made it very clear that the president should not take any military action without congressional approval in accordance to the constitution.

Unfortunately, President Trump turned his back on the Constitution and launched retaliatory missile strikes against the Syrian government before any investigation had even begun, much less been completed. Rather than waiting for evidence, Trump acted on impulse and emotion, relying on social media posts and unverified sources originating from within territory held by al Qaeda.

The OPCW also relied on those al-Qaeda sources. I believe that we should all carefully look at the evidence before coming to any conclusions as to whether or not al-Qaeda or the Syrian government were responsible for these particular attacks.

Dr Theodore Postol and the OPCW
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is an agency within the United Nations that is tasked with investigating chemical weapons attacks. The OPCW report states that the chemical weapons were delivered by an airstrike at Douma, and by an artillery strike at Khan Sheikhun, both of which methods point to the Assad regime as being responsible.

Dr Theodore Postol is a Professor Emeritus of Science, Technology, and National Security Policy at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and a world-renowned explosive weapons expert. Dr Postol and a worldwide team of scientists, structural engineers, and mathematicians studied the OPCW reports and found them to be full of omissions, inconsistencies, and factual errors. Indeed, Dr Postol believes the OPCW has been compromised and its reports falsified.

Attack on Khan Sheikhun (2017)
OPCW Report

Khan Sheikhun is a town in the al Qaeda-held province of Idlib in northwestern Syria. On the morning of April 4, 2017 it was struck by a chemical weapons bomb dropped from an aircraft. The bomb left a crater about 1 meter in diameter and ½ meter deep in the middle of a road. Photographs released on social media show a cylindrical bomb casing protruding from the crater. The bomb contained the nerve gas sarin, which dispersed through the town, and killed 89 people.

Inconsistencies found by Dr Postol, et al:

  • The size and shape of the crater and the damage to the cylinder is inconsistent with an aerial bomb, but rather with an IED which was placed on the ground, and then detonated.
  • Videos of smoke plumes show the wind blowing in a different direction than weather reports for the day of the attack, suggesting the videos were taken on a different day.
  • Photographs indicate that the crater had been tampered with.
  • Photographs show persons standing around the bomb casing wearing only gloves and dust masks, which would not be sufficient to protect them from sarin residue in the crater.
Other inconsistencies include a picture of a dead goat which, judging by the rope around its neck and marks in the ground, had been killed and then dragged to the scene from another location. There are also inconsistencies of timing, where hospital records show victims arriving before the air strike had supposedly occurred.

Attack on Douma (2018)
OPCW Report

Douma is a town near Damascus under the control of an al-Qaeda-linked opposition group. On April 7, 2018, one year after the attack at Khan Sheikhun and shortly after President Trump announced his intention to withdraw from Syria, Douma was attacked with chlorine gas bombs that were dropped from a helicopter onto the roofs of multi-story apartment buildings, where they exploded, propelling chlorine gas down into the building, and killing the people inside.

Photographs taken by OPCW investigators show a yellow chlorine gas cylinder lodged partway into a hole it had punched in the reinforced concrete roof of the building, with the broken ends of the rebar bent downward into the room below. The hole is several times wider than the diameter of the gas cylinder. There are also photographs of similar hole in the roof of an adjacent building, where another yellow gas cylinder was found lying on a bed on the top floor.

Inconsistencies found by Dr Postol, et al:

  • A leaked engineer’s assessment, which was completely omitted from the OPCW report, contradicted the report’s findings.
  • A cylinder dropped from a helicopter would not have lodged partway into a hole punched into the roof but would have penetrated the roof and possibly one or more floors below.
  • The size of the hole was too big. An explosive device in the shape of a cylinder dropped from height would have created a hole just slightly bigger than its own diameter.
  • The hole in the roof at Douma is consistent with an artillery rather than an airstrike, which suggests that the cylinder was placed in an opening created by an earlier artillery attack, and its contents released into the building below.
  • The official OPCW report failed to include the discovery of a nearby weapons lab that contained several identical yellow gas cylinders, which clearly suggests that the terrorists themselves were in possession of chemical weapons devices.
Reports on the Chemical Weapons attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria:

  1. Forensic Evidence Cited by the OPCW that Contradict its Reported Analysis and Conclusion
  2. A Quick Turnaround Assessment of the White House Intelligence Report Issued on April 11, 2017 About the Nerve Agent Attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria
  3. Addendum to Dr Theodore Postol’s Assessment of the White House Report on Syria Chemical Weapons Attack
  4. Errors in the OPCW Reports on Khan Sheikhoun on April 4, 2017
  5. Computational Forensic Analysis for the Chemical Weapons Attack at Khan Sheikhun on April 4, 2017
Reports on the Chemical Weapons attack in Douma, Syria:

  1. Contradictions in the Conclusions, Science and Data in the UN OPCW Fact-Finding Mission Report S/1731/2019 on the Chlorine Cylinder Attack on 7 April 2018 in Douma, Syria
  2. Engineering Assessment of Two Cylinders Observed at the Douma Incident
Please point out what is false. All her citations of news sources are at the bottom. Here is one more: Opinion: The evidence we were never meant to see about the Douma ‘gas’ attack
 

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To me, it comes down to this:

The DNC ( former vice-chair), The US Military, The US Coast Guard, The State of Hawaii, and The US House of Representatives have lost the ability to protect themselves from and have embraced infiltration of what they consider to be foreign enemy assets

or

major US media outlets like The New Times, CNN, MSNBC, and The Washington Post, are subverting the integrity of these institutions in an effort to influence the course of an election and popular opinion.

Either way, there is an enemy of the people among us that is much bigger than Tulsi Gabbard. The fact that we've resigned ourselves to caring or not caring about just throwing poop at her and believing that accomplishes anything, shows how powerless and hopeless our situation really is.
 

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That's a f*&king lie too - we already have more of our budget going to Healthcare for some, than it ought to take for medicare for all. And we spend -so much more on military than -everything- else put together.
And he's getting told this, repeatedly, in his replies. If he's as out of touch as this tweet indicates, though, he won't get the hint.
 

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They won't understand when their paychecks depend on it. Including all the journalists:

Opinion | I lied for health insurers. Don’t believe their attacks on "Medicare for All."

And the Gabbard smear merchants, including the tweeter above:

I only made it just over two minutes into that video before my eyes rolled into the back of my head. Do you have a summary of that video? Or is the whole thing just a smear on a Democratic candidate who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being nominated?
 
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I'm sorry but it is hard to take your posts seriously when you rail on about smears after posting pages of Warren smears.
What have I posted about her that isn't true? She waffles about Medicare for All, which can reasonably be interpreted as she's not committed to the idea and is gaslighting us. She didn't stand up for the people at Standing Rock until it was safe. Please, tell me something I posted about her that isn't true.
 

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I only made it just over two minutes into that video before my eyes rolled into the back of my head. Do you have a summary of that video? Or is the whole thing just a smear on a Democratic candidate who doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being nominated?
It's a debunk of the stuff about Syria. It's not a smear on her, it's debunking all the smears based on items reported in the news and showing how people like the tweeter above ought to know that the stuff they are peddling about her is not true.
 
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It's a debunk of the stuff about Syria. It's not a smear on her, it's debunking all the smears based on items reported in the news and showing how people like the tweeter above ought to know that the stuff they are peddling about her is not true.
Where you’re losing me is in

1) calling the rough-and-tumble vetting of a competitive nomination process - “smears”

2) tolerance for Assad and possibly also Hindutva/conservative religion

The first is actually the immediate problem, since it’s not a disagreement about facts but about process. It’s completely reasonable to drag any presidential candidate over coals, dunk them in the river and read everything they’ve ever said or done in the public green.

The Republicans didn’t do this to Trump, and they may pay for it by destroying a party.
 

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Where you’re losing me is in

1) calling the rough-and-tumble vetting of a competitive nomination process - “smears”

2) tolerance for Assad and possibly also Hindutva/conservative religion

The first is actually the immediate problem, since it’s not a disagreement about facts but about process. It’s completely reasonable to drag any presidential candidate over coals, dunk them in the river and read everything they’ve ever said or done in the public green.

The Republicans didn’t do this to Trump, and they may pay for it by destroying a party.
I am not calling that a smear. I call lies smears. Putting up someone's record, I do not consider that a smear. Lying about said record is a smear. If I've put up something untrue, I'm happy to retract it. Let's go to bat over the actual record, I'm down for that.

Tolerance for Assad. It's not tolerance for Assad, it's being wary of us being lied into war again. We were lied to about Iraq and the CIA is all over TV trying to lie us into war with Iran. We should be skeptical of everything these people peddle to us. In that video, there are references with photos and videos, sometimes even of congressional testimony of our military leaders, backing up the things Tulsi Gabbard has been saying about Syria and the Middle East. I don't defend Gabbard because of who she is, I defend her on this issue because I too do not want us to be lied into another war, one that would make Iraq look like a cakewalk. She's telling the truth and we cannot be so pliant as to merely accept what the military industrial complex wants us to believe.
 
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I am not calling that a smear. I call lies smears. Putting up someone's record, I do not consider that a smear. Lying about said record is a smear. If I've put up something untrue, I'm happy to retract it. Let's go to bat over the actual record, I'm down for that.

Tolerance for Assad. It's not tolerance for Assad, it's being wary of us being lied into war again. We were lied to about Iraq and the CIA is all over TV trying to lie us into war with Iran. We should be skeptical of everything these people peddle to us. In that video, there are references with photos and videos, sometimes even of congressional testimony of our military leaders, backing up the things Tulsi Gabbard has been saying about Syria and the Middle East. I don't defend Gabbard because of who she is, I defend her on this issue because I too do not want us to be lied into another war, one that would make Iraq look like a cakewalk. She's telling the truth and we cannot be so pliant as to merely accept what the military industrial complex wants us to believe.
We know Assad used banned weapons on his own people, bombing, imprisonments and torture; and we know we’ve abandoned the Kurds after taking their support, which has cost them lives.

I don’t watch TV, so I might be missing all this “trying to get us into a war,” who is doing that? The CIA wouldn’t do open propaganda so who is being a mouthpiece and can we show who they work for? We already know there are Republicans pushing for a war with Iran but pulling support from the Kurds makes that more likely, not less. Certainly no one outside of the Republicans is pushing for war with Iran.

I don’t do political YouTube, so whatever is going on over there doesn’t reach me - and a lot of people can say the same. Who exactly is doing all this warmongering on the Democrats’ side? And do you think they are in cahoots with the Republicans?
 
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