Coup in the USA?

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Innula Zenovka said:
I think it was this, but I'm not sure


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'It's a Revolution!': Woman Admits on Camera to Storming U.S. Capitol, Says She Got Maced (VIDEO)

In a video posted online that has since gone viral, a woman said that she was one of the people who stormed the U.S. Capitol Building on Wednesday. She even identifying herself by name and where she is from.
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I'm not quite sure what she was expecting. There's a saying that goes something like, "you fuck with the bull, you get the horns". She's actually lucky to have been able to walk away from that with little more than teary eyes and some well-cleared out sinuses.
 
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Katheryne Helendale said:
I'm not quite sure what she was expecting. There's a saying that goes something like, "you fuck with the bull, you get the horns". She's actually lucky to have been able to walk away from that with little more than teary eyes and some well-cleared out sinuses.
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She clearly had an onion in her hankerchief, LOL
 
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I apologize if my next response seems a little hyperbolic, but my RL work is in emergency response and my relationships with first responders and law enforcement trigger strong reactions in me when they are murdered.

Trump, Cruz and ilk are as responsible for that officers death as Bin Laden was for those who died in the twin towers. As responsible as Manson was for Sharon Tate’s murder.

There are countless examples of the person responsible being someone other than the trigger person. This is no different. Using your followers as weapons doesn’t make you clean.
 
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Rudolf Heberle once defined the phenomenon revolution, why they happen, the ingredients to make it happen and what it needs for one of them to be succesful.

This includes first and foremost the alienation of one or more social classes from the existing political order. This is usually the case when within the classes concerned the discrepancy between their social, especially economic and cultural importance, and their legal and political position has become conscious.
Next, it can be said that one class alone is not capable of carrying out a revolution, but needs the support of other classes or class sections. Thus revolutions of the bourgeoisie owe their success to the alliance with sections of the industrial proletariat. ...
A third condition is that the strata in power have lost faith in the legitimacy of their own position and confidence in their ability to resist. [...]
Further, it is not the case that poverty and misery cause revolution. The poorest classes may revolt [...] like the Silesian weavers in 1844, but the real revolutionary forces come from those classes which, precisely because they are no longer poor, find themselves inhibited in exploiting economic opportunities and demand political equality, especially participation in political decision-making.[...]
Revolutions, however, do not arise spontaneously. Nor do they begin, as an American sociologist said, like a panic in a herd of cattle, with masses of people running aimlessly ("milling-process"). It is true that when a revolution breaks out, there are "popular uprisings", mass demonstrations and mob actions. But unorganised masses, gatherings and mobs can neither start nor carry out a revolution. For that, organised groups are needed. These can be units of a political party or more or less secret, more or less deliberate revolutionary circles of friends, clubs, lodges, fraternities, committees that become active at the decisive moment. Such groups provide the revolutionary leadership. They also sometimes act as executive bodies in the first stages of the revolution and after the seizure of power, or provide the personnel for new political institutions.

Looking at the states to sum it up:

1. the alienation of one of some social classes is definitely there. This is the pond where Trump fished for voters, and successfully reactivated many.
2. Support of other classes might happen, most probable candidate is the quickly shrinking middle class, which does not want to decline in the social ladder.
3. I don't think that the powers in charge lost faith in their legitimacy, definitely not.
4. Organized group - might be there are some lurking around in the shadows, but what we got was definitely a badly organized mob of dumb sheeple.

So America reached some tipping points which do enable a succesful revolution, but not all of them. This was clearly a failed coup attempt, which probably was planned by someone/a group in high positions and executed very poorly.

What we witnessed was something equivalent, although way more badly executed, to the Beer Hall Putsch. Without the support of other important parts of the state this is bound to fail. Hitler back then already had a goal, but no real plan and no real support either.

Question is: what comes next? Trumpsters trying to make the beginning of "Designated Survivor" come true?
 
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You might remember Joe Bison, US president? That weirdo:

Actually it seems that his name is Jacob Angeli, 32 years old.

Austrian television had an interview with that guy back then 2020 in Arizona about his protest; Angeli calls himself a QAnon shaman and multidimensional being, amongst other weird weird things. 11 minutes of conspiracy theory bullshit at the next level, I never knew that so much bullshit can be wrapped up in one single person.

 
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bubblesort said:
DeVos resigned, which I'd normally be happy about, but this might be more complicated than it looks. Chao also left. She's transportation secretary, and Mitch McConnell's wife. That's two cabinet members gone since yesterday.

I think the cabinet might be in the middle of a power struggle to remove Trump with the 25th amendment. I think DeVos might be a true believer in Trump, who was disillusioned by the coup, and wants nothing to do with any of this any more. I think Chao knows the coup attempt was wrong, but wants Trump to serve out his term, and then be forced to quietly fade away after inauguration day, in order to try to stop the Republican party from splintering into a million factions and destroying her husband's power. Chao might have been forced out by somebody who wants to invoke the 25th, maybe? IDK, I'm obviously in the realm of wild conjecture here...

It looks like all this was planned well in advance. When the 10 former secretaries of defense sent that letter a couple of days ago, it looked kind of crazy, right? Clearly, they knew about the plan for the coup ahead of time. That means it must have been in the works for a long time. Hell, maybe this is why Kellyanne Conway left in November. That sounds crazy, but you never know, it's possible.

If things have all been planned out, and people are getting their ducks in a row... I think the conservative news is telegraphing to their audiences that Trump's cabinet is going to betray him. I live with an elderly religious conservative, who has Fox and OAN running all the time in the background (it's maddening). They keep throwing in here and there that Trump maybe trusted some people that he shouldn't. That could mean Pence, but maybe it's more than that. Maybe they are priming the audience to be ready for Trump to be removed by his own cabinet, under the 25th?

That's all wild conjecture, of course, but you know... that's where my mind goes when I try to predict where things will be next week.
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The people resigning from Trump's cabinet are just trying to shield themselves from repercussions because they don't want to get involved in invoking the 25th Amendment.

They know they have a responsibility to oust Trump, but don't want to get their hands dirty. Resigning is an easy way out for them, they're just cowards and traitors.
 
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Given one of them cited the need to defend against grizzly bears as a reason not to ban guns in schools.... I'm not sure I can agree that they 'know' anything that isn't already pre-spun and perverted to serve their deranged narrative.
 
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