Coronavirus Updates

[Salome]

others will be curt and direct and factual which gets perceived as monstrous,

That at least makes some sense as to where the fuck it all came from. There are three threads right now. I thought this one was the one trying to be more about sharing info/facts with the others serving the purpose of being more about personal and societal effects. Maybe I didn’t realize I’d crossed the streams.

 

[Pancake]

That at least makes some sense as to where the fuck it all came from. There are three threads right now. I thought this one was the one trying to be more about sharing info/facts with the others serving the purpose of being more about personal and societal effects. Maybe I didn’t realize I’d crossed the streams.

Maybe, then again you are a sassy cunt on a good day

Your data driven, science informed, information before tone responses aren’t a bad thing, not at all. I’m not even sure it’s your stress response to be honest. Some of us are solutioners and that side shines in situations like this. Others just want to be heard, to make sure their fears and concerns get acknowledged, and need to be validated not necessarily educated. The two are bound to conflict.

It’s easy as an outsider to see when that’s happening but less so when you are in the middle of it and completely confused by the reaction you are getting to what you think is helpful or at least neutral information sharing.

 

[Salome]

Maybe, then again you are a sassy cunt on a good day

Accurate.

I’m not even sure it’s your stress response to be honest.

 

[Salome]

 

[Jolene Benoir]

The ignore button works for someone long gone like Bubba. For whatever reason, Salome is popular here. It can't be ignored or I will miss the conversation. I think it is horrific the way she goes on with her anger and bashes anyone who gets in her way, hurts them and doesn't care.

You know what I get annoyed about? You constantly jumping in to complain about tone when you only do it for certain people. You couldn't be more obvious. It's not temper or anger you have a problem with, it's certain people.

You don't want to use ignore, fine...but spare me your constant upset about people's anger because you are incredibly selective about what offends you.

 

[Cristiano]

 

[Pancake]

In the early days of cases in Canada, the majority were found to be in those who had recently traveled to the US. To states that themselves were saying there wasn’t a problem.

Now our snowbirds are returning in convoys, on the Prime Ministers advice, and HOPEFULLY will isolate themselves for 14 days when they get home, but I have no doubt they were paying more attention to your President than their own government until it was too late to ignore.

 

[Cristiano]

to your President

Do not call him that. He is not my fucking president. He's a bloated orange cancer occupying the office illegally.

 

[Pancake]

Do not call him that. He is not my fucking president. He's a bloated orange cancer occupying the office illegally.

Sorry. I know that’s definitely an issue. I feel the same about my provincial Premier.

Let’s call him the fraud currently playing the role of president of the USA. The point remains that he influenced more than just Americans with those weeks of nonsense lies.

 

[Brenda Archer]

Brenda, I get that we all have unique situations and the general advice won’t fit us all, but you can’t take it personally. You are going to give yourself a stroke if you get this upset every time you hear someone online or on TV or on the radio tell people to stock up and stay home.

Well, I’m not doing that. I don’t even have a TV or a radio to get upset with.

I just don’t like being told there’s something wrong with my head when I’m just trying to explain why I can’t completely isolate myself or store a lot of food.

I mean this from a sincere and caring place. Some bitch tried to chew me out today at the convenience store for buying a bunch of pop and chocolate. Shaming me as she was paying for gas that some people don’t seem to understand what necessities are.

I didn’t bother to correct her, didn’t need to, the cashier knows me and where I work. The cashier tossed in some candies and told me to share with those at work and thanked me for going to work today.

See that’s the thing, the advice about staying home is good advice, unless it doesn’t apply like in my case where I work an essential service. If I got twisted up ever time I read advice for people to stay home, took it personally and insisted on injecting my unique circumstances in until everyone validated my exception, I would spend all my time doing that and it still wouldn’t invalidate the general advice that was given in the first place.

Okay, but that’s not what I have been trying to say. I’m trying to say that people who don’t have a good place to go quarantine in, can’t be blamed for that situation and are not deliberate germ spreaders.

It just doesn’t apply to me, and that’s fine.

I tried explaining that, and got told I was wrong in the head. It’s this extra ad hominem stuff that goes beyond disagreement, and I will object to it.

 

[Pancake]

I’ll choose my words as gently as I can Brenda.

No one, not a single person, misunderstands the point you are trying to make. In fact I suspect most of us realized the pandemic would be more difficult on low income and those with existing health issues and those with insecure or unstable housing before you raised the your struggles.

The issue isn’t that we don’t understand you, it’s that you don’t understand us, and you are being myopic evidenced by you not grasping the point of the analogy in my post.

I see you. I hear you. I validate your concerns. I acknowledge your fear and unique circumstances. I also want to read information about Covid though, even posts that don’t align with your personal circumstances. Stop punching. Take a breath. Or perhaps take a break.

I know if Beebo told me I had lost the plot I’d reevaluate, I hope you consider the same.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Between us, I think that WAS great news, and WAS a good early tip-off as long as the public didn't know about it; but I think it's news that probably should've remained within the medical community. The "secret" being out might be a bad thing, because diminished smell/taste can also just mean you have nasal congestion or allergy swelling, and it can also be completely psychosomatic...meaning that if someone is simply afraid they may have coronavirus, they might start experiencing that symptom for literally no reason except that they expect it now, even if they don't really have the virus.

I mean this consideration wouldn't even matter if getting a test was no big deal; but in the US at least, thanks to our witless leader, we're kinda lagging behind still on availability.

 

[Brenda Archer]

I’ll choose my words as gently as I can Brenda.

No one, not a single person, misunderstands the point you are trying to make. In fact I suspect most of us realized the pandemic would be more difficult on low income and those with existing health issues and those with insecure or unstable housing before you raised the your struggles.

The issue isn’t that we don’t understand you, it’s that you don’t understand us, and you are being myopic evidenced by you not grasping the point of the analogy in my post.

I see you. I hear you. I validate your concerns. I acknowledge your fear and unique circumstances. I also want to read information about Covid though, even posts that don’t align with your personal circumstances. Stop punching. Take a breath. Or perhaps take a break.

I know if Beebo told me I had lost the plot I’d reevaluate, I hope you consider the same.

You still think it’s about the quarantine, the pandemic or the bad news. It’s not. It’s not about a disagreement over food storage or shopping, not in itself.

My effort to explain my situation is getting misinterpreted as a request for sympathy, an effort to blame others or as a panic. It isn’t any of that. I’m describing reality as I see it from here, in case someone else is also in that reality. I don’t expect people outside that reality to necessarily understand it and I’m not asking them to do anything.

I’ve been trying over and over to explain what I’m objecting to, and you just won’t take it at face value.

Stop. You’re not getting it and you’re not helping. I know you mean well, but you’re either misunderstanding me or I can’t explain myself clearly to you.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

No one has disagreed with this. But insisting people already have resources they don’t comes off simply as scolding.

I didn't see any insistence that people have resources that they do not, unless perhaps it personally offended you when people made suggestions that involve having resources that you do not have at your disposal?

Here's the thing; yes, there are a ton of people who are living in conditions that are absolutely horrible when something like this pandemic happens. They won't have the same resources as some other people have. It's awful and horrible that in "the wealthiest nation on Earth", as we claim to be that this exists. It's bad enough outside of a dire public health issue but when something like this happens it becomes very stark.

Again, all you can do is try to do your very best with whatever resources you DO have to protect yourself and also be mindful of others' safety. You may find yourself much more resilient than you believe if you allow yourself to think outside of the box that you are currently in. Nobody here blames you, or any other person, for being in a bad situation. Nobody thinks that is a moral failing or anything like that. Everyone understands that people's situations are different. If their suggestions do not apply to your and your situation, then don't use that particular suggestion. But bear in mind that you are stronger than you may think, smarter than you may think and more capable than you may think to try your very best to survive. Don't dismiss all suggestions as purely out of hand, because maybe a portion of one can be useful to you. For example, can't stock up on food because of a lack of space? Not perhaps like someone with their own pantry could, but perhaps you could stock what you can within your means and space. That was just an example of taking a portion of an idea and applying it to your own situation.

 

[Essence Lumin]

And that's exactly what Salome does, too, although with more filters tbh. Which is why I appreciate both of your voices on this forum. A dash of cold water in the face can be very bracing at times.

A dash of cold water can be bracing. A dash of bleach and ammonia, not so much.

 

[Essence Lumin]

This is a small forum. Probably less than a 100 everyday posters. Still that leaves 3 that revel in causing chaos and anger for me. They are Salome, Beebo, and Jolene including her last eye roll. This is for you Jolene.

 

[Pamela]

That at least makes some sense as to where the fuck it all came from. There are three threads right now. I thought this one was the one trying to be more about sharing info/facts with the others serving the purpose of being more about personal and societal effects. Maybe I didn’t realize I’d crossed the streams.

You didn’t.

This thread is about updating info on COVID 19 — helpful info that ppl may have missed. You added considerably. But beyond that, your content in this forum is valuable for its sharp wit and insightful observations. These may not be especially valued by some but before this crisis is over, people who can write as well as you will get the appreciation they deserve.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I'm so glad I don't know you personally. You would probably be flying at me with a knife in one of your moods.

A dash of cold water can be bracing. A dash of bleach and ammonia, not so much.

This shit here? This is nasty stuff. Yet, somehow you think you are so above it all, and oh-so upset by any display of anger/temper but, again, only when it is shown by certain people. For people you consider allies/friends/whatever it just rolls right by you without you having a care in the world about it and you don't mind getting into the fray yourself at all.

You've been at this game for months on end, with and without Sal's presence, only piping up to complain about tone by certain people when it suits you and ignoring it completely or liking it when done by other people.

Give it a rest, already. Ignore those you can't stand to see the words of, or at least stop being a hypocrite.

 

[Sid]

May I remember some here, this is not the PRS section.
It would be a shame if that discussion style took over the rest of VVO as well.
And that is exactly what seems to happen.

 

[Beebo Brink]

A dash of cold water can be bracing. A dash of bleach and ammonia, not so much.

Oh for ffs, Essence. Stop being a drama llama. It's not a good look.