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Kara Spengler

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Once all the panicky people have stocked up, they won't need to buy more for months. So now that the system has responded to the panic by increasing production, there will be a surplus.
That is pretty much my thinking. The dangerous time for supplies will be the first few weeks. Unfortunately by the time things are stocked up the virus will be more prevalent.
 

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Where the fuck are you living - and shopping - that $25 dollars gets you two weeks of food?
Florida. Where I’ve had to live for weeks on oatmeal, rice, beans, and dried fruits with no electricity multiple times and where I buy the same supply every hurricane season.

Further, it is rather telling that you - like Pamela - choose to focus on that but ignore or handwave the issue of medication.
No one hand waved medication. You’re not the only one that takes necessary meds, ffs. What I said was that being on lockdown or living under martial law has ZERO bearing on whether meds will be available.
 

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Here's an article about what it is like to have COVID-19 from an American medical worker:

“Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”

"I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

"We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.”

“It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream.

“Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight. When you’re healthy, your lung is made up of little balloons. Like a tree is made out of a bunch of little leaves, the lung is made of little air sacs that are called the alveoli. When you breathe in, all of those little air sacs inflate, and they have capillaries in the walls, little blood vessels. The oxygen gets from the air in the lung into the blood so it can be carried around the body.

“Typically with ARDS, the lungs become inflamed. It’s like inflammation anywhere: If you have a burn on your arm, the skin around it turns red from additional blood flow. The body is sending it additional nutrients to heal. The problem is, when that happens in your lungs, fluid and extra blood starts going to the lungs. Viruses can injure cells in the walls of the alveoli, so the fluid leaks into the alveoli. A telltale sign of ARDS in an X-ray is what’s called ‘ground glass opacity,’ like an old-fashioned ground glass privacy window in a shower. And lungs look that way because fluid is white on an X-ray, so the lung looks like white ground glass, or sometimes pure white, because the lung is filled with so much fluid, displacing where the air would normally be.”

"It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, we’ve had to restrain them. They really hyperventilate, really struggle to breathe. When you’re in that mindstate of struggling to breathe and delirious with fever, you don’t know when someone is trying to help you, so you’ll try to rip the breathing tube out because you feel it is choking you, but you are drowning."

"Before this, we were all joking. It’s grim humor. If you are exposed to the virus and test positive and go on quarantine, you get paid. We were all joking: I want to get the coronavirus because then I get a paid vacation from work. And once I saw these patients with it, I was like, Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this."

“There is a very real possibility that we might run out of ICU beds and at that point I don’t know what happens if patients get sick and need to be intubated and put on a ventilator. Is that person going to die because we don’t have the equipment to keep them alive? What if it goes on for months and dozens of people die because we don’t have the ventilators?

 
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Don't try to make it as if you were discussing. You called a longstanding honorable member an asshole.
Wait, I thought we were talking about Spirit, who prides himself on being an asshole and lives up to his reputation about 90% of the time. It doesn't mean I don't like him -- I rather do, oddly enough -- but I still recognize that he's an asshole. It's kinda self-evident.

Salome is just as "honorable" a forum member as Spirit, so let's not start playing this judgment game.
 
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The ignore button works for someone long gone like Bubba. For whatever reason, Salome is popular here. It can't be ignored or I will miss the conversation. I think it is horrific the way she goes on with her anger and bashes anyone who gets in her way, hurts them and doesn't care.
Jesus fucking christ.

Salome doesn't suffer fools gladly and she calls out bullshit when she sees it. I've been on the receiving end of that myself, but I'm not whining about it because there's usually more truth in the sting than I like to hear, until I've calmed down enough to absorb it. And sometimes we just flatout disagree. I can live with that.
 

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Salome is just as "honorable" a forum member as Spirit, so let's not start playing this judgment games.
TY Beebo, but TBH, I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m honorable or an asshole. It‘s just tedious as fuck to have people decide to be angry at shit no one said.
 

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TY Beebo, but TBH, I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m honorable or an asshole. It‘s just tedious as fuck to have people decide to be angry at shit no one said.
I was taking a nap when this all started, so I read thru several pages all at one sitting, and I STILL don't understand why Brenda and Spirit went off the rails. They were fighting phantoms, picking fights with something NO ONE SAID. I guess the emotional pressures of this pandemic are lowering reading comprehension. It's too easy to interject defensiveness into the general conversation and take people's comments in the most twisted way possible. But it's really weird to watch that unfold.
 

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That covers living, not shopping. Either way, total cost is going to vary by region - which you don't seem to be factoring in.

That particular diet though, would at least be doable for everyone living here.

As for medication, as long as there are no hiccups you'll be right.
 
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I was taking a nap when this all started, so I read thru several pages all at one sitting, and I STILL don't understand why Brenda and Spirit went off the rails. They were fighting phantoms, picking fights with something NO ONE SAID. I guess the emotional pressures of this pandemic are lowering reading comprehension. It's too easy to interject defensiveness into the general conversation and take people's comments in the most twisted way possible. But it's really weird to watch that unfold.
Thank you. I thought I was taking crazy pills.
 
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The ignore button works for someone long gone like Bubba. For whatever reason, Salome is popular here. It can't be ignored or I will miss the conversation. I think it is horrific the way she goes on with her anger and bashes anyone who gets in her way, hurts them and doesn't care.
I have people and threads on ignore and it makes it much smoother for me. It use to bother me if I missed parts of a discussion, but not anymore. No more fucks to give, especially during stressful times. Really, try it, if only temporarily is all I’m saying.
 

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I was taking a nap when this all started, so I read those several pages all at one sitting, and I STILL don't understand why Brenda and Spirit went off the rails. They were fighting phantoms, picking fights with something NO ONE SAID. I guess the emotional pressures of this pandemic and lowering reading comprehension. It's too easy to interject defensiveness into the general conversation and take people's comments in the most twisted way possible. But it's really weird to watch that unfold.
I interpreted the comments to mean that everybody is able to do a food storage, and then Spirits and I tried to explain why we can’t.

Then people also added they have to go out to the pharmacy.

Then I get told I have a persecution complex, and now you’re using the word “twisted.”

I don’t think I’m being extreme and I certainly don’t deserve to get thread psychoanalyzed.

If me talking about my situation seems weird to some people, too bad. It’s really common and I’m not going to be shamed out of talking about it. I’m not going to be accused of attention seeking for describing a very common situation.

What I’ve been trying to do is sound a warning, relying on what I know first hand. That’s all I’ve got. I don’t deserve to be accused of “persecution complex” and I don’t think either Spirits or I deserve to be called assholes for pointing out why we can’t use the typical advice.
 

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That covers living, not shopping. Either way, total cost is going to vary by region - which you don't seem to be factoring in.
The entire fucking point was that the cost of extra food and storage space was not likely to be something you’d have to worry about because no one is going to keep you from going out to resupply for weeks at a time. I mentioned the bare-bones foodstuffs and alternate storage accommodations simply to highlight that it’s something not to rule out in your head in an emergency situation. Why you chose to take offense to that who the fuck knows.

That particular diet though, would at least be doable for everyone living here.
It wasn‘t meant to be the only option. It was an example of emergency rations that meets some minimum nutrition standards. You’d be surprised how many people think they can live on nothing but pasta for weeks and still have a digestive system.

As for medication, as long as there are no hiccups you'll be right.
Once again, if there are shortages and hiccups of that nature, you’re better off with that happening in an organized setting. Free movement isn’t going to do you any good if the drug store is being mobbed while you’re trying to get them.