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Clara D.

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I find (or found in the past) a few of the regulars really annoying, but use ignore so I don't drag threads into ultimately pointless circular arguments with them.

Sal offered to have a go at me earlier in the thread, so plonk.

Anyways, about that virus! Makes it really annoying to find something to wipe my arse with.
 
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Jolene Benoir

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And where did you get your license?
Or are you entitled by birth?
Don't try to make it as if you were discussing. You called a longstanding honorable member an asshole.
That was what happened.
And now you try to make yourself look good again as if you were discussing.
A "sorry" would be more appropriate, madam.
I can't see why some people think it is a good thing you visit here again. Sorry.
You seem to be full of an overdose of self importance.

And that Milady ends my discussions with you. Have a nice life.
May I remember some here, this is not the PRS section.
It would be a shame if that discussion style took over the rest of VVO as well.
And that is exactly what seems to happen.
Yes, it would be a shame, wouldn't it?
 

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I didn't see any insistence that people have resources that they do not, unless perhaps it personally offended you when people made suggestions that involve having resources that you do not have at your disposal?
No, of course not. People should use any and every resource they have to survive. I am not making my remarks out of jealousy. I want all my friends and neighbors to make it.

Pointing out to people they aren’t alone in difficult situations is an attempt at sympathy, it’s not out of jealousy for people in yet another situation.

Here's the thing; yes, there are a ton of people who are living in conditions that are absolutely horrible when something like this pandemic happens. They won't have the same resources as some other people have. It's awful and horrible that in "the wealthiest nation on Earth", as we claim to be that this exists. It's bad enough outside of a dire public health issue but when something like this happens it becomes very stark.
Quite so, and it’s not happening to “those people over there.” Every city is about to get an increase in unemployed and/or evicted people who can’t properly socially distance, and it’s going to be other low and middle income people taking some of them in (friends and family), further reducing the chances for social distancing even among those who are staying afloat.

Again, all you can do is try to do your very best with whatever resources you DO have to protect yourself and also be mindful of others' safety. You may find yourself much more resilient than you believe if you allow yourself to think outside of the box that you are currently in. Nobody here blames you, or any other person, for being in a bad situation. Nobody thinks that is a moral failing or anything like that. Everyone understands that people's situations are different. If their suggestions do not apply to your and your situation, then don't use that particular suggestion. But bear in mind that you are stronger than you may think, smarter than you may think and more capable than you may think to try your very best to survive. Don't dismiss all suggestions as purely out of hand, because maybe a portion of one can be useful to you. For example, can't stock up on food because of a lack of space? Not perhaps like someone with their own pantry could, but perhaps you could stock what you can within your means and space. That was just an example of taking a portion of an idea and applying it to your own situation.
This really comes off as condescending. Stop it.

I don’t reject advice, but if I explain why I can’t do something, it’s because I’ve thought it through, not because I’m being stubborn. Have some respect for people’s take on their own situation, if you really do accept that one size advice does not fit all.
 

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No, of course not. People should use any and every resource they have to survive. I am not making my remarks out of jealousy. I want all my friends and neighbors to make it. Pointing out to people they aren’t alone in difficult situations is an attempt at sympathy, it’s not out of jealousy for people in yet another situation.
If you examine my words you won't find the word jealous in there, at all yet you are arguing as if it was indeed presented.

Quite so, and it’s not happening to “those people over there.” Every city is about to get an increase in unemployed and/or evicted people who can’t properly socially distance, and it’s going to be other low and middle income people taking some of them in (friends and family), further reducing the chances for social distancing even among those who are staying afloat.
Agreed.

This really comes off as condescending. Stop it.

I don’t reject advice, but if I explain why I can’t do something, it’s because I’ve thought it through, not because I’m being stubborn. Have some respect for people’s take on their own situation, if you really do accept that one size advice does not fit all.
Oh, c'mon...now you are looking for reasons to be offended. Do not accuse me of not having respect for you or your situation nor condescending. I realize everyone is under more stress than normal, but really, do not take it out on us.
 

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May I remember some here, this is not the PRS section.
It would be a shame if that discussion style took over the rest of VVO as well.
And that is exactly what seems to happen.
Seconded. Interestingly, just like Sid, I come from a country/culture that is often called out for being blunt or even offensively honest/non-political correct. But there is a difference between being blunt - and questioning people' s intellectual capacity, their mental health or their - in this forum (with the exception of occassional trolls) usually really not malicious - intentions. And that is a trend I have noticed across several sections here, and I don't like it.

Of course it is dangerous to get into panic mode when measures like lockdowns are discussed. But these fears are very real, and for some people they are more existential than for others. They can be addressed with information, and with exchanging experiences across the globe (even though there are of course significant differences between the US, Asia or Europe).

We are close to a 'complete' lockdown here. But as was already pointed out, that does NOT mean that we wouldn't be allowed to go shopping essential stuff. There are already limits enforced how much you can buy, and how many people are allowed inside a supermarket, the others need to line up outside and keep distance - and they do. Same at pharmacies. Even in Italy, after all those weeks of economic decline, there seem to be no significant shortages (with the catastrophic exception of medical supplies like masks and ventilators, of course). I talked to an Italian woman these days, who said people didnt even have the idea to stockpile TP, only pasta and hand sanitizer sold out quickly in the begining - but are now available again.

I value individual freedom above everything else, but I also value health and science. As long as there are not enough easy, quick, reliable and frequent tests for everyone, lockdowns seem to be inevitable. I wish it could all be voluntary, but from my experience especially young people here really struggled with the pressure to decide between freedom and reason. Peer pressure, fear and frustration, stubborness - and an overload of sometimes conflicting information. Sometimes people need clear directions to cling to.
 
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Younger adults are large percentage of coronavirus hospitalizations in United States, according to new CDC data
The CDC report looked at 4,226 covid-19 cases, with much of the data coming from the outbreaks among older adults in assisted living facilities. As in China, the highest percentage of severe outcomes were among the elderly. About 80 percent of people who died were older than 65.

However, the percentage with more moderate or severe disease requiring hospitalization is more evenly distributed between the old and the young, with 53 percent of those in ICUs and 45 percent of those hospitalized age 65 and older.

“These preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including ICU admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with COVID-19,” researchers wrote.
 

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May I remember some here, this is not the PRS section.
It would be a shame if that discussion style took over the rest of VVO as well.
And that is exactly what seems to happen.
Let’s be clear on something. You chose to white knight Spirits because I used the term “license to asshole” when I expressed annoyance at him for choosing to invent offense out of my post. Up until that point all I’d done is share my actual life experience of living under martial law following a massive natural disaster and offer some general suggestions about keeping prepared in emergencies. Specifically, I was countering the mistaken idea that living under martial law involves not being allowed to leave for necessary supplies for weeks at a time. That kind of misconception needs to be corrected. It’s the sort of nonsense that promotes unreasonable panic which results in stuff like people trying to escape quarantine areas instead of seeking help to manage their special needs. I could have chosen not to give a fuck but a fair number of people here frequently push conspiracies and worst case scenarios and letting those kinds of misconceptions lay unchallenged is irresponsible.

Spirits laughed at the first post I made countering that narrative and responded with “how cute.” His posts prior to mine were filled with “fuck off” and confrontational language. He called Pamela “fucking stupid.” None of that bothered you. Presumably because of his long standing status or...whatever. I ignored it also because Spirits spent years pretty much groaning at every post I ever made and being an asshole to me and plenty of other people, so it’s just par for the course. So I just corrected the false information, explained my experience and my own priorities and offered general suggestions. I even validated his concerns and “pessimism” because when it comes to surrendering liberty, such concerns are valid. Then he and Brenda decided to be offended for...reasons. And, as the other responses here indicate, I’m not the only person who had no fucking idea why they choose to invent those offenses.

You didn’t have a problem with Spirits using “fucking stupid” against Pamela but clutched pearls over my use of “license to asshole” against Spirits — which is ironic because many “long standing members” here know that phrase was coined by Bronx as a substitute for taking your shit out on other people without provocation.

I don't give a single shit who likes me or who doesn’t, but you and the others can miss me with these arbitrary tone concerns and the pretense of being above it all. You didn’t give a shit when Spirits was being a jerk to others, but then chose to engage me when I mildly clapped at him. It‘s transparent as fuck.

If you want to move the fuck on, then fine, let’s move the fuck on, but moving on doesn’t mean continuing to make smug little lecture posts acting like it’s everyone else’s fault and ignoring the reality that you actively chose to engage as much as any of us. You want me to stop correcting this kind of bullshit and hypocrisy, then stop doing it. But don’t throw rocks at others and then think you get to call no backsies. It doesn’t work that way.
 

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Despite all the statistics having to be taken with a large pinch of salt due to the availability of testing, the types of people tested and the general ability to look at this nasty situation with a sense of realism i found some of these chats to be interesting and effective graphic representations of "general" wolrd progress:

 

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Here are the rumored amounts of corporate help the USA is going to give away to companies which are known for paying shitloads of taxes (ahem!):

The initial proposal at least included the government purchasing shares in the companies. Obama did that for the GM bailout. It gives companies some incentive to pay back the money by repurchasing stock as they recover and puts the possibility of having a government representative on the board. But a number of companies have indicated they will not accept aid on those terms.
 

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The Chinese doctor, who first discovered the new corona virus and died from Covid-19 age 35, who was first detained and rebuked by the police to shut up because he was "disrupting public order" has been officially rehabilitated and instead the state steered press is telling that he "fought bravely."

 

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This is why lockdowns won't work:

I just talked to my parents...

  • they insit the lockdown does not apply to visiting family, and will gladly continue having their grandkids over (while not among listed examples it clearly is forbidden as "unneccessary interaction")
  • they believe no one will loose their job - German politicians said so
  • they believe lockdowns will only last 2 weeks - as in the initial proclamation
  • they do not believe lockdowns could close down factories in the future
and no, my parents are not particurarily evil or stupid - they just are average run of the mill egoistical human beings.

On top of that they are now angry at me for me calling German leadership cowards for hiding behind the convenient "for the next 2 weeks" statements. Clearly lockdowns are useless if they only last 2 weeks. They will either last longer or be only blind actionism. There is a trend in leaderships worldwide are promising solutions "soon". Well,... unluckily there are none in sight. My bleak vision of the future is folks getting unsattisfied and angry pretty soon. I expect them to do lots of stupid things in that state of mind.
 
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Kara Spengler

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Do not call him that. He is not my fucking president. He's a bloated orange cancer occupying the office illegally.

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You are making cancer look worse. Somehow.
 
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