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The normal ICU standard over here is one nurse for 2 patients 24/7.
Now due to the Corona crises we have created more ICU units in the country so we have 1 ICU qualified nurse for 4 patients 24/7 but he/she is assisted by 1 or 2 nurses not familiar with ICU work, from other hospital parts.
We simply don't have enough ICU qualified nurses for the number of created (and needed) ICUs at the moment.
 

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Leave it up to the Guardian to brighten up the mood:

A toddler threw a self-pitying tantrum on live television on Monday night. Unfortunately he was 73 years old, wearing a long red tie and running the world’s most powerful country.

Donald Trump, starved of campaign rallies, Mar-a-Lago weekends and golf, and goaded by a bombshell newspaper report, couldn’t take it any more. Years of accreted grievance and resentment towards the media came gushing out in a torrent. He ranted, he raved, he melted down and he blew up the internet with one of the most jaw-dropping performances of his presidency.

This was, as he likes to put it, “a 10”.

Trump’s Easter had evidently been ruined by a damning 5,500-word New York Times investigation showing that Trump squandered precious time in January and February as numerous government figures were sounding the alarm about the coronavirus.

With more than 23,000 American lives lost in such circumstances, some presidents might now be considering resignation. Not Trump. He arrived in the west wing briefing room determined to tell the world, or at least his base, that he was not to blame. Instead it was a new and bloody phase of his war against the “enemy of the people”: the media. Families grieving loved ones lost to the virus were in for cold comfort here.

A CNN chyron is a worth a thousand words: “Trump refuses to acknowledge any mistakes”; “Trump uses task force briefing to try and rewrite history on coronavirus response”; “Trump melts down in angry response to reports he ignored virus warnings”; “Angry Trump turns briefing into propaganda session”.

The thin-skinned president lashed out at reporters, swiped at Democrat Joe Biden and refused to accept that he had put a foot wrong. “So the story in the New York Times is a total fake, it’s a fake newspaper and they write fake stories. And someday, hopefully in five years when I’m not here, those papers are all going out of business because nobody’s going to read them,” Trump said.

With a dramatic flourish, the president ordered the briefing room lights dimmed. In a James Bond film, it would be the moment that poisoned gas is piped into the room. What happened wasn’t far off: a campaign-style montage of video clips, shown on screens set up behind the podium. There was footage of doctors saying in January that the coronavirus did not pose an imminent threat, Trump declaring a national emergency, and Democratic governors praising him for providing federal assistance.

Veteran White House reporters said they could never remember such a film being played in that room. It had been put together in a couple of hours by Dan Scavino, the director of social media at the White House, and a team in less than two hours, Trump explained. “We could give you hundreds of clips like that.”


Jon Karl of ABC News asked in consternation: “Why did you feel the need to do that?”

Trump replied: “Because we’re getting fake news and I like to have it corrected ... Everything we did was right.”

Over and over, Trump highlighted his decision to ban some flights from China in late January before there were any virus-related deaths confirmed in the US – even though nearly 400,000 people travelled to the US from China before the restrictions were in place and 40,000 people have arrived there since.

The CBS News correspondent Paula Reid was having none of it and cut to the chase. “The argument is that you bought yourself some time,” she said “You didn’t use it to prepare hospitals. You didn’t use it to ramp up testing. Right now, nearly 20m people are unemployed. Tens of thousands of Americans are dead.”

Trump talked over her: “You’re so disgraceful. It’s so disgraceful the way you say that.”

Reid demanded: “How is this newsreel or this rant supposed to make people feel confident in an unprecedented crisis?”


Trump reverted to his China travel restrictions but Reid continued to push him on his inaction in February. Trump was unable to muster a reasonable response. It was a case study in how, when he loses an argument, his instinct is to attack the accuser. He trotted out his frayed, timeworn insult: “You know you’re a fake, your whole network the way you cover it is fake ... That’s why you have a lower approval rating than probably you’ve ever had before times three.”

Democrats can only hope Biden was watching Reid for tips on how to debate the president.

Earlier, Dr Anthony Fauci stepped to the podium to clarify that he had been responding to a “hypothetical question” during an appearance on CNN’s State of the Union programme on Sunday when he said more could have been done to save American lives. He denied he was being forced to clarify against his will.

Trump, who had retweeted a post containing the hashtag “#FireFauci”, said: “Today I walk in, I hear I’m going to fire him. I’m not firing him, I think he’s a wonderful guy.”

The briefing went on for well over two hours. Even Fox News gave up before the end. Adam Schiff, the chair of the House intelligence committee, spoke for many when he tweeted: “Why do reputable news organizations carry these daily Trump press conferences live?"

“They are filled with misinformation and propaganda. From the president himself, no less. The country would be far better served and informed if they used highlights later. Enough is enough.”

 
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Umm, what does she think the classic way of making vaccines is anyway? They started with exposing people to a less lethal form of the same virus (cow pox vs smallpox).
 

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It is SO frustrating hearing people talk about how to handle outside clothes. I live in an apartment bldg and the washing machine is down the hall so I can not follow their advice.

1 go get the mail
2 oh, my clothes are dirty now so I have to wash them now
3 goto 2

Maybe if you have a wd in your home or you have an infinite supply of clothes.
 
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Alternative:

1. Go to the mall or get the mail.
2. Change clothes when you get home (if you think that is needed)
3. Let the clothes hang out for a while. Viruses don't survive long on textile (and will not jump trough the room while the clothes are hanging out)
4. Use them again the next time you feel the need to change.
5. Wash them only after your normal wearing time.

Don't forget to wash hands regularly and thoroughly. Stay at five/six feet from people.
That is far more important than changing clothes after being outdoors.

Stay a mile away from sneezing and coughing persons :)
 
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While I normally skip stories about wonder drugs and treatments, be they for Covid-19 or cancer, unless they're about reputable medical institutions recommending them, this caught my eye as an example of why they're best not even considered without advice from a qualified medical practitioner delivered as a result of a personal consultation rather than via daytime TV:

 

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The hospital is not operating in a normal way. Otherwise, I would certainly agree with you on that.

A leopard does not change its spots. ETA: Let's see what happens next before heaping praise on Boris Johnson.

ETA2: So far no one has questioned the horrible lie part. I would not put it in Johnson's literal words which are obviously not literally true ("every second of the night"). He apparently had callous disregard for how his plans would have affected the very people he is praising. In that respect, his praise seems false and a horrible lie.
Thinking someone has grown up does not mean I'm heaping praise. I'm not big on Cuomo either, but obviously, when it hits this is your fault for not doing the right things, and you start trying to fix it? Then its worth giving a nod to.

And yes, yes, I'm quite aware that ICUs and hospitals aren't operating within normal parameters, but it doesn't change the fact that A: ICUs tend to be fewer patients with more staff, that B: even though BoJo is part of the problem in a big way, he's still the PM, C: the UK has a better medical system than the US does, and D: A -lot- of politicians had callous disregard for our lives and safety before this mess. Some are just smart enough to realize that greed aside, if we all die then the economy is even more foxed than it would be otherwise.

The normal ICU standard over here is one nurse for 2 patients 24/7.
Now due to the Corona crises we have created more ICU units in the country so we have 1 ICU qualified nurse for 4 patients 24/7 but he/she is assisted by 1 or 2 nurses not familiar with ICU work, from other hospital parts.
We simply don't have enough ICU qualified nurses for the number of created (and needed) ICUs at the moment.
That's the normal for here too - roughly. I used to work in deitary in a hospital, and sometimes I'd have to run refills to the icu frig, and even less often, food to ICU [as well as other parts of the hospital]
 

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While I normally skip stories about wonder drugs and treatments, be they for Covid-19 or cancer, unless they're about reputable medical institutions recommending them, this caught my eye as an example of why they're best not even considered without advice from a qualified medical practitioner delivered as a result of a personal consultation rather than via daytime TV:

I was prescribed Plaqunil for a short period of time to help manage my lupus. I had so many side effects from it that I stopped taking it in less than a month. The biggest side effect, and one I'm still living with is, extremely high pressure in my eyes. I was also getting clusters of heart flutters (arrhythmia) so my doctor took me off of it pretty early.
 

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I was prescribed Plaqunil for a short period of time to help manage my lupus. I had so many side effects from it that I stopped taking it in less than a month. The biggest side effect, and one I'm still living with is, extremely high pressure in my eyes. I was also getting clusters of heart flutters (arrhythmia) so my doctor took me off of it pretty early.
It sounds less like a wonder drug and a lot more like a 'oh fox, if we don't do -something-, it won't matter anyway' drug.
 

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Plaquenil is generally safe, in the doses most commonly used for RA, my mother took it for years on end 200mg a day. It's when you get up to 800mg or more a day that the side effects can become problematic. They're quicker to prescribe Methotrexate now because it too is reasonably safe in the low doses RA patients take it in.
 

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Thinking someone has grown up does not mean I'm heaping praise. I'm not big on Cuomo either, but obviously, when it hits this is your fault for not doing the right things, and you start trying to fix it? Then its worth giving a nod to.

And yes, yes, I'm quite aware that ICUs and hospitals aren't operating within normal parameters, but it doesn't change the fact that A: ICUs tend to be fewer patients with more staff, that B: even though BoJo is part of the problem in a big way, he's still the PM, C: the UK has a better medical system than the US does, and D: A -lot- of politicians had callous disregard for our lives and safety before this mess. Some are just smart enough to realize that greed aside, if we all die then the economy is even more foxed than it would be otherwise.



That's the normal for here too - roughly. I used to work in deitary in a hospital, and sometimes I'd have to run refills to the icu frig, and even less often, food to ICU [as well as other parts of the hospital]
I'm not making any point about Boris Johnson, for whom I have very little time as a politician or as a man, but I am concerned to defend the reputation of the NHS, and in particular to rebut the suggestion that the treatment and care they offer is determined by anything other than the patient's best interests, since that would be completely against the service's basic principles.

Certainly, when he was initially admitted for observation, I assume it was as a private patient in one of St Thomas' pretty luxurious private rooms, with spectacular views, but once his condition deteriorated and he was moved to the ICU, it was as an NHS patient receiving care and treatment on the same basis as everyone else.

That's the way the medical system here operates.
 
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Thinking someone has grown up does not mean I'm heaping praise. I'm not big on Cuomo either, but obviously, when it hits this is your fault for not doing the right things, and you start trying to fix it? Then its worth giving a nod to.

And yes, yes, I'm quite aware that ICUs and hospitals aren't operating within normal parameters, but it doesn't change the fact that A: ICUs tend to be fewer patients with more staff, that B: even though BoJo is part of the problem in a big way, he's still the PM, C: the UK has a better medical system than the US does, and D: A -lot- of politicians had callous disregard for our lives and safety before this mess. Some are just smart enough to realize that greed aside, if we all die then the economy is even more foxed than it would be otherwise.
I wasn't trying to suggest you were actually heaping praise on Johnson. My phrasing was facetiously dismissive of giving him praise. I do think he's an obnoxious prick and should not be given an inch.

I think Cuomo is what New York state needs right now. I know little about him otherwise. He made an interesting remark in Monday's briefing that in New York state currently, there is little difference between an ICU bed and an ordinary hospital bed. I assume he meant as far as COVID19 goes. Ironically, where my niece works it seems that being on a ventilator does not necessarily mean you are in ICU, an odd twist on the misconception that being in ICU means you are on a ventilator.

I saw the ICU and coronary care unit (a specialized ICU) at that hospital many years ago. They were too small to handle the influx of COVID19 patients. I imagine they now use rooms that were for ordinary hospital beds. The layout of the building does not provide easy communication from those rooms to the regular ICU (separate wings). Add in PPE, staff, and things are not as clear cut as one wishes.

ETA: Yes, US health care sucks, especially for the price.
 
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"On the hydrochloroquine [sic], two things. I, like the President, hope it works. I don't know if it works. I'm not a doctor, but everbody hopes something works. Right? I think it would be unnatural not to hope that it works."

I would add: whether it works or not, that has nothing to do with Trump. So don't hate on the drug just because you hate Trump [or whomever]. Hating on the drug should be something separate.

My sentimental favorite drug at the moment is Ivermectin. When my viral illness was getting worse last week, I was checking out my dog's heart worm medication. Three doses for a 25 lb. dog would probably just create a resistant strain in me, if it did anything. I also don't have pin worms so didn't fancy the additional drug included.

I know that taking my dog's medication is a ridiculous idea, but being ignored by doctors until your illness is taking you under is also ridiculous.
 
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Two fridge trucks have been spoted by the VA hospital in miami. they claim it's just incase but it definitely raising fear that we will end up like new york and the horror stories coming from there.

Floridas numbers continue to escalate with no signs of slowing down.. after the transfer from federal to state, More test sites in south florida are opening up and previous test sites are allowing people below 65 to test without appointment. There is still not enough test kits to go around and most sites max out within the hour of opening. models have been readjusted and florida is expected to peek in early may. even with the stay at home order there was still alot of people out for easter.

They said over the radio this Morning about Aprox 11 million people will need food assistance from the state. more and more companies are starting to furlough thier workers the longer it stretches out. Even if it were to putter out next week. it will take a very long time to recover.. the fear and chaos cause more damage then the virus itself.

Latest dramas include Disney getting help auto enrolling people for unemployments and WWE apperently considered essential business.




 
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Stimulus checks might be delayed since Trump ordered the US treasury to print his signature on them:
The good news is the electronic ones don't require his campaign advertisement. I received mine today. If the IRS has your electronic deposit info from this year or last, you should receive it this week.

If you did not provide banking info this year or last, because you didn't receive a refund, I believe you'll be able to provide it. Look for news of the "stimulus check portal". Applies to non-filers, too.
 
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Two fridge trucks have been spoted by the VA hospital in miami. they claim it's just incase but it definitely raising fear that we will end up like new york and the horror stories coming from there.

Floridas numbers continue to escalate with no signs of slowing down.. after the transfer from federal to state, More test sites in south florida are opening up and previous test sites are allowing people below 65 to test without appointment. There is still not enough test kits to go around and most sites max out within the hour of opening. models have been readjusted and florida is expected to peek in early may. even with the stay at home order there was still alot of people out for easter.

They said over the radio this Morning about Aprox 11 million people will need food assistance from the state. more and more companies are starting to furlough thier workers the longer it stretches out.

Latest dramas include Disney getting help auto enrolling people for unemployments and WWE apperently considered essential business.




What the fox, fellow Pensacolans? Escambia is no where as bad as south Florida, but I bet that changes..... stupid arses.
 

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The good news is the electronic ones don't require his campaign advertisement. I received mine today. If the IRS has your electronic deposit info from this year or last, you should receive it this week.

If you did not provide banking info this year or last, because you didn't receive a refund, I believe you'll be able to provide it. Look for news of the "stimulus check portal". Applies to non-filers, too.
They have been saying it for days now and no one was sure when...

i 've been check the irs site directly and there is a Portal here:

 
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