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[Sid]

Brexit: Johnson and Von der Leyen to take over with direct talks

UK PM and European commission president to speak on Saturday after negotiators fail to reach agreement

www.theguardian.com

I wonder, if this is just public rattling of arms in an effort to try and get the last few hurdles taken or is it to prepare everybody in the EU for a no deal situation?
We will know in the next few days/weeks.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

It's going to be a mess, whatever happens

UK business leaders warn of Brexit red tape 'tidal wave' even with deal

CBI’s Josh Hardie pleads with UK and EU to redouble efforts to help businesses prepare

www.theguardian.com

As survey after survey shows businesses do not have the full information they need to be prepared for Brexit, Hardie urged the UK and EU to inform businesses what any trade deal would require them to do to be Brexit-compliant crossing from Dover to Calais, or any other UK-EU border.

“Once the free trade agreement is over the line, don’t breathe a sigh of relief and down your pens. Actually move on to the next thing, because this has some way to go,” he said.

Ben Fletcher, a director of Make UK, which represents manufacturers, predicted a period of hibernation for some businesses in early 2021.

“I think there is a lot of nervousness and a lot of uncertainty. Some firms are saying to us: ‘We’re just not going to attempt to move goods in and out of the country, because we want to see how the land lies in the first couple of weeks,’” he said.

 

[Luisa Land]

Brexit: Johnson and Von der Leyen to take over with direct talks

UK PM and European commission president to speak on Saturday after negotiators fail to reach agreement

www.theguardian.com

I wonder, if this is just public rattling of arms in an effort to try and get the last few hurdles taken or is it to prepare everybody in the EU for a no deal situation?
We will know in the next few days/weeks.

Perhaps there is an additional aspect to the possible reasons mentioned above
not only Johnson and his government often target a local audience with their comments.
Many comments from governments of other countries are also aimed at the national audience
I think that in general here in Germany the mood is not hostile to GB, but also here there is a prevailing mood regarding the brexite "pull the plug" "stop this theatre" "let the British pull in their beloved brexite
I have the impression (but I don't know exactly in detail) that the French audience is even more impatient and that parts of the French audience are . "fed up with this theatre in London" and that is what they are being served with such remarks

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I have the impression (but I don't know exactly in detail) that the French audience is even more impatient and that parts of the French audience are . "fed up with this theatre in London" and that is what they are being served with such remarks

We in the UK are pretty fed up with the theatre in London, too, so I imagine people on the Continent are even more so.

 

[Luisa Land]

We in the UK are pretty fed up with the theatre in London, too, so I imagine people on the Continent are even more so.

yes, I can well understand that.
For us here on the continent, it is also a pity that the UK does not want to participate in the realisation of a united Europe... and it certainly has some negative consequences for us too, especially economically.
But okay, then without the UK.
But I think for the "remainers" in the UK it will have incomparably more consequences. And I can well imagine how angry you have to watch this "theatre".

 

[Sid]

Brexit: Johnson and Von der Leyen to take over with direct talks

UK PM and European commission president to speak on Saturday after negotiators fail to reach agreement

www.theguardian.com

In a joint statement, David Frost, the UK’s chief negotiator, and his EU counterpart, Michel Barnier, said they had not been able to come to terms on the final issues and that the historic trade and security negotiation would be paused.

It is understood Johnson and Von der Leyen will talk by phone on Saturday afternoon. It is believed that a major bone of contention for the UK side is Brussels’ intention to exempt all EU funding from the future state aid rules, a contentious move raised by one of Frost’s deputy negotiators some weeks ago but which has yet to be resolved.

 

[Sid]

yes, I can well understand that.
For us here on the continent, it is also a pity that the UK does not want to participate in the realisation of a united Europe... and it certainly has some negative consequences for us too, especially economically.
But okay, then without the UK.
But I think for the "remainers" in the UK it will have incomparably more consequences. And I can well imagine how angry you have to watch this "theatre".

An United Europe is far far away IMHO.
There is no majority for that in many countries, like NL for instance.
A lot of people here think that the EU has to much influence as it is already.

 

[Luisa Land]

An United Europe is far far away IMHO.
There is no majority for that in many countries, like NL for instance.
A lot of people here think that the EU has to much influence as it is already.

think that this question is somewhat complex.
and I do not want to write a paper here
On the one hand, the surveys show a high level of support for "Europe" in almost all EU countries.

European Union: Do you feel like a citizen of the European Union? * Support for the European Union - Results of the Eurobarometer Autumn 2019, broken down by member states
"Europäische Union - Ranking der Mitgliedsstaaten nach empfundener Zugehörigkeit zur EU Herbst 2019 | Statista


At the same time, when things become more concrete, there are more or less reservations in some or many countries about "Brussels" or ideas of greater cohesion.
But there are now quite a number of European institutions that take on tasks for the EU members


like the European Central Bank, concerning corona we are waiting for a result of the European Medicines Agency to be able to vaccinate etc., and many others
some EU projects are not supported by all EU countries, such as the euro zone, the Schengen agreement
but as I said, I will not write an essay here.
just wanted to say: EU is a process with many resistances but also many successes

 

[Innula Zenovka]

My thoughts entirely

 

[Innula Zenovka]

This, also


I will neither forget nor forgive those who took us into this.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

I will neither forget nor forgive those who took us into this.

We are, as I predicted, absolutely, completely and utterly fucked - anyone care to disagree ?

 

[Free]

We are, as I predicted, absolutely, completely and utterly fucked - anyone care to disagree ?

You still have your health?

/me runs!

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

The EU today is a big, economic block, with many common rules in place. Some are good, others not so much, and some are in between.

Anyway most member states are just cheapskates: they want to have the benefits but not the obligations. Otherwise refugee camps like on Lesbos with the moral dilemma would not be a thing. Which is really strange either way: the EU at the moment is an aging, dying society block. So in order to be able to maintain your local wealth you do either need higher birth rates over a long time, or immigration to fill in the gaps.

Also major parts of the EU have a big lack of democracy. It also has major internal and structural problems which need to be resolved.

The EU at the moment is standing at a turning point in my opinion: either it will break up in the long term, or in order to preserve it it will need to federate. The problem is that at the moment a discussion about federation is not really possible, because there are too many forces pulling it apart, so a breakup is the more likely thing to happen.

 

[Sid]

We have a lot of benefits from the EU. But because of the way it is structured and shaped it will not happen that it becomes one federal state any time soon.
To much indirect democracy and an over complicated structure, that totally has to be redesigned first in the future.
And yes, the way a few member states are democratically developing (Hungary and Poland) are a real problems.
Don't forget the fundamental economical, politcal and cultural differences between the different countries and their histories.
I think that a bit further fine tuning and cooperating as much as possible, is what is best for the foreseeable future.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

You still have your health?
/me runs!

Not really :-(

 

[Free]

Not really :-(

Sorry.

I guess I didn't need to run.








Sorry again.