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Aribeth Zelin

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I'm still trying to figure out how so many people, when the reasons for leaving the EU were to lessen protections for them in various ways, actually thought it was worth voting for.

Then again, I still don't understand what happened in the US either.

I get it logically, but not emotionally.
 
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The influence of the social media and populists on a lot of people, who have trouble to understand this modern over complicated world. They search for simple answers and scapegoats.
And the British tabloids like the Daily Mail and the Sun were not really helpful either.
 
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'Inland border' ?? Don't call it a 'border' or we'll have Priti Patel putting up a wall around it (and wave machines on any nearby rivers) !

A government spokesperson said: “We will have the necessary infrastructure in place by the end of the transition period, with construction in progress.
Utter bollocks...
 
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And yes, the way a few member states are democratically developing (Hungary and Poland) are a real problems.
Frankly I do understand why Hungary and Poland are reacting the way they do, because the EU is practising double standards.

Just look at Spain, how Spain is oppressing the indepence movement, people are jailed for nothing and even the Spanish government acknowledged that. And what does the EU do because of this? Nothing.

On the other hand Poland and Hungary are getting quite much blame, might be that there are some bad developments there, but they are definitely having no political prisoners like Spain has. But Hungary and Poland are in the public focus, not spain.

The problem now with the mechanism the EU wants to implement to guarantee the rules of law is that

a) it lacks objective criteria how to identify when a state abandon this road and
b) has many ways on how to make the decision that one member state is violating the rules of law, which as consequence would mean that these "rogue" states don't get payments from Bruxelles.

These decisions should be made by a qualified majority, which is 15 of the 27 member states must approve it and these supporters must have at least 65% of the EU's total population.

So this means that the bigger you are, the more likely it is that you will not have to face such a decision. On the other hand it makes it far more easier to punish Poland and Hungary in return.

Poland and Hungary fear that they might become the next Greece, which by now is more like a third world country than anything else thanks to austerity. They also know that despite all nice words out of Bruxelles and despite what they might do and even if they are just behaving like model students that there will be always something which can be constructed to initiate such a decision against them. And that's what they really do fear, and so their veto is in self defense to avoid that.

 

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'Inland border' ?? Don't call it a 'border' or we'll have Priti Patel putting up a wall around it (and wave machines on any nearby rivers) !


Utter bollocks...
I forgot to mention, you remember that piece from The Register you posted a while back, about how unprepared the government was for customs checks at Dover and Calais, and I said I had forwarded it to my MP?

I heard back from him late November, when he forwarded this from Michael Gove's office, in reply to his request for their comments on the concerns raised by the article.

Your email was addressed to the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Rt Hon Michael Gove MP. I am responding as Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport, with responsibility for this policy area.

The Government is delivering the ‘Check an HGV is ready to cross the border’ service (formally referred to as ‘Smart Freight’) to ensure that Heavy Goods Vehicles (HGVs) above 7.5 tonnes travelling from Great Britain to the European Union are ready to cross the border.

We have published a consultation response outlining our plans to make this service mandatory for HGVs travelling via the short Channel crossings. Drivers, or those responsible, will need to complete the ‘Check an HGV’ service ahead of travel in order to obtain a Kent Access Permit, which will be issued if the HGV appears ready to cross the border or needs to access an Office of Departure or Authorised Consignor to get ready.

The ‘Check an HGV’ service is now in its private beta phase and we are undertaking targeted user testing. A demonstration version of the service has been made widely available to industry stakeholders so that companies and hauliers who will need to use it at the end of the Transition Period can practice with it in advance and offer further feedback. The final version of the service that will be in use from January 2021 onwards is on schedule to be ready for December 2020 and will be made fully available to all users on GOV.UK during December 2020.
 
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I don't know who Mr Redwood is, but I guess he is one of the clowns in Cirque Berserk* or so.

*Cirque Beserk has a great show by the way, It was in my hometown two years ago. Loved it.
 

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I don't know who Mr Redwood is, but I guess he is one of the clowns in Cirque Berserk* or so.

*Cirque Beserk has a great show by the way, It was in my hometown two years ago. Loved it.
He's Leader of the House of Commons (a Cabinet post -- he's supposed to be in charge of parliamentary timetabling). He's one of the leading Brexiteers, and is another Tory tribute act to cultural stereotypes -- in his case, the amiable and ultra-polite aristocrat, as opposed to Johnson's Bertie Wooster.

More taking back control, this time on guide dogs

 
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The influence of the social media and populists on a lot of people, who have trouble to understand this modern over complicated world. They search for simple answers and scapegoats.
And the British tabloids like the Daily Mail and the Sun were not really helpful either.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Most of the Trump supporters I know for example who are are below the age of senility will even tell you they don't really follow politics that closely... so they just have some simplified view that pointed them to Trump.

The smartest, most "with it" Trump supporter I know is frankly a fascist... I think he's smart but kind of crazy. At that point, it's like a disorder...
 
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More taking back control, this time on guide dogs
I keep hearing this same refrain of "MUST maintain the current freedom and rights" of (fill-in-the-blank) that they had when they were part of the European Union. It's been four years now, right? That seems ample time for everyone to fully absorb just what kind of pain Brexit will inflict on them. It doesn't mean they have to like it, but the indignant protests seem a bit... sad, at this late stage.
 

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It just shows people did not vote well prepared. Many did not think trough all the consequence, some did not even think at all, or they just voted the way their social media friends were endorsing.
It also will show in a few weeks, that nationalism is a bad idea in these times, where your veggies come from the Netherlands, your car from Asia, your steak from Argentina, your potatoes grew up on Malta. your clothes from Turkey or India and your grapes were picked in South Africa.
Regret comes always at the end.
 
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You're right, of course. I misread Redwood for Rees-Mogg.

Redwood is a long-time anti-European fanatic. He was one of Margaret Thatcher's ministers, and John Major's too, and was a Conservative shadow minister while they were in opposition, but David Cameron dropped him and he's been a back bencher and general pain in the backside ever since.

Rees-Mogg is just as bad.
 
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Redwood is a long-time anti-European fanatic. He was one of Margaret Thatcher's ministers, and John Major's too, and was a Conservative shadow minister while they were in opposition, but David Cameron dropped him and he's been a back bencher and general pain in the backside ever since.
I don't think his being a 'general pain in the backside' deserves the qualifier 'ever since'..

Rees-Mogg is just as bad.
Worse, I think - Redwood would appear to actually believe the stuff he spouts, but I suspect Rees-Mogg's actions are pure hypocrisy designed solely for the benefit of Rees-Mogg.
 
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