#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

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I'll explain it as best I understand it. What I know comes from watching Dr. Roger "MedCram" Seuhult, MD of many hats, on youtube, "some guy on youtube" if you will. He helps run a "Khan Academy" of sorts for medical professionals. Students can get professionally accredited brownie points via MedCram. He also oversees an ICU from time to time working, I believe, at a teaching hospital. He commented in one video that learning to use ventilators has basically been his life's work.

Going by Seuhult, there are two known mechanisms by which hydroxycholoroquine might work.
1) It raises the ph of the lysosome created when a virus tries to merge with a cell and infect it (dump its RNA load into the cell). With a higher pH, the merging process does not succeed and infection is blocked. (The merging process occurs after the virus attaches to a cell by latching onto an ACE-2 receptor on the target cell's surface. Attaching to an ace-2 receptor is not enough to infect a cell. It's just the beginning of the process.)
2) Chloroquine could act as an ionophore permitting zinc ions to cross a cell's membrane. Once the zinc is inside it can prevent viral replication if it is in the right place at the right time.

Chloroquine has been used in treating malaria for decades, and hydroxychloroquine is better tolerated than chloroquine. Seuhult was not opposed to managing its side effects.

The idea of using azithromycin was new to Seuhult when he heard of Raolt Didier's first paper. He quite diplomatically said, "That's interesting that azithromycin might have an effect against viruses. It is an interesting point, and one that has to be looked into to see why that is the case." That may be the most polite phrasing of "Reallllly????" I've ever heard, or it might just be him being respectful and hopeful despite his surprise.

Seuhult did say he found azithromycin problematic because of the long Qt side effect. He did not like combining two drugs with the same dangerous side effect.

I would say that Seuhult seems quite pragmatic when it comes to medicine. If it works, then good. His interest in thermal hydrotherapy is an example. He is quite interested in whatever might overcome the immune-suppressing effects of SARS-CoV-2.

ETA: Saw a medical school's COVID-19 protocols. Among optional treatment components for ICU patients:

"Azithromycin 500 mg day 1 then 250 mg for 4 days (has immunomodulating properties including downregulating IL-6; in addition Rx of concomitant bacterial pneumonia)"

Down regulating IL-6 would help avoid a cytokine storm? All the people on twitter think they know better, of course.
I am really hoping they settle on another drug. Much has been made of the heart condition nono but they are also bad for epileptics and cause seizures. I have had them since HS and am not used to them. Can you imagine if seizures started popping up around the world more often than now? Yikes!
 

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I was there one evening when, defying medical advice, Trump talked baldly about reopening the economy by Easter. It was just a little scary, this realisation that the most powerful person in the world is unhinged – the closest any of us will get to the court of King George III with its mix of awesome power and terrifying capriciousness.
I disagree with the George III comparison, since on both occasions when he was suffering his fits of whatever caused his condition, the government of the day was very quick to pass a Regency Act (their equivalent of the 25th Amendment, and a much simpler procedure), but I think the general point, that he is clearly unhinged, is probably true.

It might be that he's simply temporising by making wild announcements about what he's considering, without any real intention of doing it, simply to keep up the pretence of trying to govern, while in fact hoping something will turn up to save him from the one crisis among the many he's caused that he can't divorce, declare bankruptcy on, or ask his father to pay to go away, but that's no less depressing.
 

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Just heard donnie is sending ventilators to the uk because he thinks he has enough. No words. Of course we should help if we can but that he actually thinks we have enough when everyone sane here knows places like new york are desperate for them?
 

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Just heard donnie is sending ventilators to the uk because he thinks he has enough. No words. Of course we should help if we can but that he actually thinks we have enough when everyone sane here knows places like new york are desperate for them?
He doesn't believe New York is desperate for them. He thinks Cuomo has them warehoused and is just trying to make him look bad or some shit like that. He also thinks NYC nurses have been stealing PPE to sell. He just makes this shit up on the spur of the moment and his MAGAts believe it.
He won't ever admit he's wrong, and he'll just blame the deaths in the usual suspects.
And not care. He hasn't actually had any words of sympathy for any victims or their families.
 

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Extraordinary video from CBS’ 60 Minutes, after Trump coronavirus tsar Peter Navarro defended the administration’s pandemic response in an interview broadcast on Sunday night.

Navarro angrily challenged his hosts to show him they had covered pandemic preparations under previous administrations.

So 60 Minutes did.

I challenge you,” said Navarro, “show me the 60 Minutes episode a year ago, two years ago, or during the Obama administration, during the Bush administration that said, ‘Hey, global pandemic’s coming, you gotta do x, y and z and by the way we gotta shut down the economy to fight it.

“Show me that episode. Then you’ll have some credence in terms of attacking the Trump administration for not being prepared.”

60 Minutes duly ran clips from a 2009 feature on the fight against H1N1, or swine flu – “a pandemic, meaning it’s a global epidemic, the first flu pandemic in 41 years” – and a 2005 section on H5N1, or avian flu, which the show said had “the potential to cause an influenza pandemic similar to the one that killed 50m people in 1918”.

Here’s the video:
 

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When he played his campaign video CNN and MSNBC cut away from it and many other reporters criticized it.

Did you notice he was asked if WH funds paid for it and he said yes ... and articles mentioned it? The reason is that is flatly illegal in the US.
 
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