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In that timeframe there are some promising advances in battery technology that hopefully will be ready.
The car manufacturers seem confident they can hit that target. In fact, UK manufacturers were angered when Rishi Sunak recently announced his intention of moving the UK target back from 2030 to 2035. Despite that, from next year, at least in the UK, manufacturers will have to ensure that at least 20% of the vehicles they sell are zero-emissions, or face hefty fines.

UK carmakers will have to meet electric car sales targets despite Sunak U-turn

The main worries here are not that car manufacturers will be unprepared but that there won't be enough recharging stations and that the Treasury will somehow need to make up for revenue they'll lose from taxes on petrol and diesel.

ETA: I guess, though, that electric cars in the US are likely to need more powerful batteries than those in the UK and Europe because of the longer distances they frequently have to travel.
 

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ETA: I guess, though, that electric cars in the US are likely to need more powerful batteries than those in the UK and Europe because of the longer distances they frequently have to travel.
Eh, some, maybe.

I doubt the average US citizen travels much more than the average UK citizen.

A better solution would be to make trains better. I wonder if it would be feasible to offer an affordable car transport option with passenger trains, in case people were traveling and needed a car on the other end. You arrive, your car gets loaded, you head off for a trip to another xity eith the family, and get your own car instead of a rental or trying to figure out the mass transit on the other end.
 

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I doubt the average US citizen travels much more than the average UK citizen.
Seriously? I'd like to see the data before I grant you that sweeping an assumption that runs counter to my impression of how much people drive in the U.S.

But I definitely agree that building up mass transit is a better solution. Cars for destination travel is more efficient.
 

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I was going to post a funny about the average American but the truth is much more insidious. It is very ... profitable ... to keep Americans distracted, and since the 1970's it has become increasingly important not just to keep us distracted but also divided, and virulently so.
 
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But I definitely agree that building up mass transit is a better solution. Cars for destination travel is more efficient.
Yes, but building mass transit systems is going to be a very expensive and time-consuming process. Until you've been able to build some, I think electric cars will be a necessary interim measure.
 

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Seriously? I'd like to see the data before I grant you that sweeping an assumption that runs counter to my impression of how much people drive in the U.S.

But I definitely agree that building up mass transit is a better solution. Cars for destination travel is more efficient.
I may be way off, but especially if we just look at day to day, most probably just hang around their home area.

Just a casual check for work commutes, which is going to be the most common travel, suggests both US and UK average around 30 minutes.

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Though the UK data includes several methods of travel, and its not clear what is counted for the US from this page.
 

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I may be way off, but especially if we just look at day to day, most probably just hang around their home area.

Just a casual check for work commutes, which is going to be the most common travel, suggests both US and UK average around 30 minutes.

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UK

Though the UK data includes several methods of travel, and its not clear what is counted for the US from this page.
The difference is that Americans generally need to drive to get anywhere from their suburban cultural death zones - not just to and from work, but they also need a car if they want a cup of coffee, see their doctor, visit friends and so on.

For comparison, after waking up today and getting some breakfast, I grabbed my backpack and got some bread at one of the bakeries in my neighbourhood, stopped at one of a dozen grocery stores to buy some other stuff, moved on to the weekly farmers market to buy some peppers, a lemon and chicken breasts, picked up a delivery from an Amazon locker. Then I walked back home and am still below 4,000 steps. Took me less than an hour.

Driving kids to and from school is also common in the US - over here, most children just walk there, use a bike or the bus.
 
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I doubt the average US citizen travels much more than the average UK citizen.
We probably do simply because the country is so huge. It takes me 2 hours to drive to Wichita to visit relatives, and that's not even out of the state. Takes me 8 hours to drive to Chicago, Tulsa or Denver. It's why the American auto industry has grown so huge - not just because of the independence that comes with an auto, but because it's so far to get anywhere.

I'm speaking from Kansas, so I'm sure metro folks have a different notion. If I lived in NYC, I probably wouldn't own a car. Out here it's a necessity of life.
 
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The difference is that Americans generally need to drive to get anywhere from their suburban cultural death zones - not just to and from work, but they also need a car if they want a cup of coffee, see their doctor, visit friends and so on.
Yep. Entire towns and even cities in the US have been designed with private automobiles in mind. Just walking to the closest grocery store could involve a four-mile round trip hike.
Driving kids to and from school is also common in the US - over here, most children just walk there, use a bike or the bus.
I think this is a relatively recent thing. When I was in grade school, we all walked. Nowadays, you don't see many kids walking. Instead, the streets around each school are jammed every morning with parents in SUVs dropping off their precious little cargo directly in front of their schools. Then jammed again every afternoon to pick them up.
 
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Yep. Entire towns and even cities in the US have been designed with private automobiles in mind. Just walking to the closest grocery store could involve a four-mile round trip hike.

I think this is a relatively recent thing. When I was in grade school, we all walked. Nowadays, you don't see many kids walking. Instead, the streets around each school are jammed every morning with parents in SUVs dropping off their precious little cargo directly in front of their schools. Then jammed again every afternoon to pick them up.
Los Angeles is so cleverly designed that it takes a minimum of 45 minutes to drive between any two points.

Once around 4PM, when stuck on the LA 405 with both sides completely stopped, I thought, "If all these people need to go south, and all those people need to go north, WHY DON'T YOU IDIOTS JUST TRADE HOUSES???"
 
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Los Angeles is so cleverly designed that it takes a minimum of 45 minutes to drive between any two points.

Once around 4PM, when stuck on the LA 405 with both sides completely stopped, I thought, "If all these people need to go south, and all those people need to go north, WHY DON'T YOU IDIOTS JUST TRADE HOUSES???"
I avoid the 405 like the plague when I'm down there. Not that the 5 is much better, but it's less stop-and-go.
 
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We probably do simply because the country is so huge. It takes me 2 hours to drive to Wichita to visit relatives, and that's not even out of the state. Takes me 8 hours to drive to Chicago, Tulsa or Denver. It's why the American auto industry has grown so huge - not just because of the independence that comes with an auto, but because it's so far to get anywhere.

I'm speaking from Kansas, so I'm sure metro folks have a different notion. If I lived in NYC, I probably wouldn't own a car. Out here it's a necessity of life.
My guess is NYC is the only place where most people don't have a car. I never had a car in the places I've lived as an adult except here in NJ where it is a necessity. Those places were Portland, OR, Boston, MA and Olympia WA. Those three places all have somewhat decent transportation systems but it is so slow. I'd guess most people have a car in those areas.
 

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During the last few decades (if not longer), new construction doesn't provide connecting sidewalks, making it difficult, if not downright dangerous, to walk through commercial districts or even residential areas. You drive to a mall or shopping center, but you don't walk to it.
 

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I got a driver's license to move from Portland to Lubbock. I never needed a car in Portland.
 
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I was under the impression that the inhabitants of Olympia just floated from place to place on clouds of ganja smoke and patchouli oil fumes. 😜
 
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