Covid-19 vaccine thread

[Sid]

It is everywhere in the world hard to wait for your turn after a year of pandemic troubles for everyone.
No country (maybe except Israel and China) has the number of vaccines available that they (pre)ordered

Over here 80+ is still not completely vaccinated yet. That is because the authorities decided they all get Pfizer.
65+ will get Pfizer or Moderna.
Other vaccines are used for other groups.
So availability decides partly here who comes first.

When J&J will be approved (most likely somewhere next week) things will speed up in the group under 65.

 

[Romana]

I have every Friday off, so a Thursday vaccination was perfect timing. Thank you, Health Department!

So it's now the 2nd day and I'm still feeling fine. But since I'm a worrier, now I'm worried that my body is not mounting a strong immune defense. Gotta have SOMETHING to fret about, right?

My brother had very little reaction. That's the one who's a doctor, so if it meant it wasn't working he'd have been worried.

After three solid weeks of stalking every relevant site I could find, I managed to pre-register with the county. I guess that means I'm on a list for county sites and whatever they coordinate with.
The pre -registration form included the question about comorbidities, so I felt better with thar being noted.
I'm not going to stop stalking the other sites, but I feel better about my chances than I did.
My brother agrees with me that I should get Pfizer or Moderna, but my internist agrees with Fauci that being tested at different times they're about equal, and to grab whichever one I can get . Fauci's right a lot, but he's been wrong a few times, too.
I'll see what comes up.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

My brother had very little reaction. That's the one who's a doctor, so if it meant it wasn't working he'd have been worried.

After three solid weeks of stalking every relevant site I could find, I managed to pre-register with the county. I guess that means I'm on a list for county sites and whatever they coordinate with.
The pre -registration form included the question about comorbidities, so I felt better with thar being noted.
I'm not going to stop stalking the other sites, but I feel better about my chances than I did.
My brother agrees with me that I should get Pfizer or Moderna, but my internist agrees with Fauci that being tested at different times they're about equal, and to grab whichever one I can get . Fauci's right a lot, but he's been wrong a few times, too.
I'll see what comes up.

To my mind, taking the first vaccination offered is probably the best plan, since as well as comparing what's known so far about the relative vaccines, and maybe thinking that vaccine A has a higher efficiency rate that vaccine B so you'd prefer that, you also need to consider that every day you go unvaccinated because you're holding out for vaccine A, which is 90% effective, you have 0% protection compared to the 70% or whatever you might enjoy with the less effective one, and also that if you are unfortunate enough to contract the virus despite having been vaccinated, you're far more likely to remain asymptomatic, and far less likely to require hospital treatment even if you do become symptomatic, than if you remain unvaccinated.

Depends on waiting times for the vaccine you want, and how you assess the risk of your catching the disease, given your personal circumstances, but in general the best survival strategy seems to me to be to go for the first one you're offered.

 

[Romana]

To my mind, taking the first vaccination offered is probably the best plan, since as well as comparing what's known so far about the relative vaccines, and maybe thinking that vaccine A has a higher efficiency rate that vaccine B so you'd prefer that, you also need to consider that every day you go unvaccinated because you're holding out for vaccine A, which is 90% effective, you have 0% protection compared to the 70% or whatever you might enjoy with the less effective one, and also that if you are unfortunate enough to contract the virus despite having been vaccinated, you're far more likely to remain asymptomatic, and far less likely to require hospital treatment even if you do become symptomatic, than if you remain unvaccinated.

Depends on waiting times for the vaccine you want, and how you assess the risk of your catching the disease, given your personal circumstances, but in general the best survival strategy seems to me to be to go for the first one you're offered.

I understand what you're saying, but I keep flashing back to my endocrinologist telling me if I got COVID I'd get very sick. So I don't assume that "preventing serious illness" means the end for me as for everyone. What testifies me is the possibility of ending up with a serious respiratory condition, long COVID, or both. My doctor says they all prevent that. I hope he's right. The vaccine is barely out so I don't know how anyone would know.
In any case, did I haven't been offered anything yet, it's all hypothetical. They keep saying things so open up and there will be more, but no one knows when.

 

[Sid]

My brother had very little reaction. That's the one who's a doctor, so if it meant it wasn't working he'd have been worried.

They are side effects of the vaccine, not necessary wanted reactions.

 

[Luisa Land]

the Dutch newspaper "Volkskrant" reports about Russian hacker attacks on the European Medicines Agency (EMA). Among other things, EMA is responsible for the assessment and and recommends approval of a vaccine. On the basis of this recommendation, approval is then granted by the EU Commission
"Via various media it transpired that the hackers had gained access to documents from Pfizer/BioNTech and that these hackers were probably members of foreign intelligence agencies. "

Russian and Chinese hackers gained access to EMA

Last year, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) was hacked by a Russian intelligence agency and a Chinese espionage group. The Russians gained access to EMA’s internal network by exploiting a setting in the authentication system that allowed them to abuse the two-step verification, as research by...

www.volkskrant.nl

 

[Romana]

They are side effects of the vaccine, not necessary wanted reactions.

Wanted? I didn't say they were.
I just said that my brother didn't have much in the way of a reaction either time. I meant that people shouldn't worry if they don't have much of one.
I don't care much if I do have a reaction, I can deal with it if happens.
I'm going tomorrow afternoon, so I'll report back.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I have been in touch with my mom. She hasn't had any adverse reaction to her first shot, either. She said she was constipated, which is unusual for her, but no idea if that is related to the vaccine. I can say that she didn't even feel the shot. She's not much of a needle person and was all worried. He did it and she didn't even realize he had.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

In France, there's no escape from Covid vaccine sceptics. What would Pasteur think?

As the rumour and disinformation mills go into overdrive, GPs are having to drum up patients to use up their allocation of jabs

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sid]

Do we see long term effects from years of drinking lots of Pernod Absinthe here?

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

At least you know what's going on. Here, its like... every thing seems to work differently and its not clear even within a state which way you go about it.

California recently finally went to a statewide registry. Before that, it was up to each county to administer their own programs. I live in a red county in a region of red counties, so you can imagine what kind of a clusterfuck it was.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Constituent tolerance for incompetence is what got us here. It needs to stop. People are dying. They are gasping for air, suffocating slowly over days, as their organs slowly fail. They can't even properly say goodbye to loved ones. It's a national disgrace. In this situation, I don't care about blue or red, and you shouldn't, either. Government officials need to fail faster! Fast and hard, as a warning to any government officials who would dare fail us like this again, in the future. Whoever replaces the current class of incompetent fools will know that failure will be punished, and that's all it will take for them to get off their asses and do something about this.

I don't disagree with your premise, but it's really worth pointing out that President Biden's administration has already done more in the last six weeks than Trump's administration had done in an entire year. You can't expect a system which had been poorly planned from the beginning to fix itself overnight. Biden says there will be enough vaccines in the US for nearly everyone by July; considering where we were just six weeks ago, that's amazing!

As has already been pointed out, our lack of a centralized health care infrastructure makes the logistics of getting a jab, let alone two, in everyone's arm in a timely manner a very tricky task even for the most proficient government officials to manage. Again, it's not a problem that can be fixed overnight, no matter who is in government. Are there politicians getting in the way and causing more harm than good? Oh, absolutely - and they almost all have an (R) in their name! But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. What Biden's administration has been doing is working, even if not at the speed of what you'd like.

 

[bubblesort]

I don't disagree with your premise, but it's really worth pointing out that President Biden's administration has already done more in the last six weeks than Trump's administration had done in an entire year. You can't expect a system which had been poorly planned from the beginning to fix itself overnight. Biden says there will be enough vaccines in the US for nearly everyone by July; considering where we were just six weeks ago, that's amazing!

As has already been pointed out, our lack of a centralized health care infrastructure makes the logistics of getting a jab, let alone two, in everyone's arm in a timely manner a very tricky task even for the most proficient government officials to manage. Again, it's not a problem that can be fixed overnight, no matter who is in government. Are there politicians getting in the way and causing more harm than good? Oh, absolutely - and they almost all have an (R) in their name! But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. What Biden's administration has been doing is working, even if not at the speed of what you'd like.

He's playing word games when he says we will have enough. Having it and actually using it are two totally different things. See N95 masks, for example:

Can’t Find an N95 Mask? This Company Has 30 Million That It Can’t Sell. (Published 2021)

Health workers are still being forced to ration protective masks, but small U.S. manufacturers can’t find buyers, and some are in a danger of going under.

www.nytimes.com

Oh, and update... it's now been two weeks since I was categorized as 1A, and registered to get the vaccine. I haven't heard a peep from them since I signed up.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

California recently finally went to a statewide registry. Before that, it was up to each county to administer their own programs. I live in a red county in a region of red counties, so you can imagine what kind of a clusterfuck it was.

Matt Gaetz is my congresscritter; I feel your pain.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Matt Gaetz is my congresscritter; I feel your pain.

Ew! I think you might have me beat!

 

[Sredni Eel]

He's playing word games when he says we will have enough. Having it and actually using it are two totally different things. See N95 masks, for example:

Can’t Find an N95 Mask? This Company Has 30 Million That It Can’t Sell. (Published 2021)

Health workers are still being forced to ration protective masks, but small U.S. manufacturers can’t find buyers, and some are in a danger of going under.

www.nytimes.com

Oh, and update... it's now been two weeks since I was categorized as 1A, and registered to get the vaccine. I haven't heard a peep from them since I signed up.

It could be an issue with the state in which you reside.

I moved into phase 1B as a teacher and health compromised person, and was not just able to sign up for the vaccine, but I got the first shot last week and the second scheduled for the 31st.

Granted, it's been really challenging for some folks, but vaccines are being given to lots of people now, where they weren't being given at all to anyone back in January when we first heard about vaccines being fast tracked into the population.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Ew! I think you might have me beat!

And my mom has us both beat.... she's got Greene...

 

[Jolene Benoir]

In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab. No One Listened.

After seeing a risky lab, they wrote a cable warning to Washington. But it was ignored.

www.politico.com

Not about the vaccine, but about the origins of Covid. This is explosive.

 

[Romana]

I had my first dose of the Moderna vaccine yesterday. My arm aches a bit, but Ibuprofen handles it, and my pneumonia shot was worse.
I haven't sprouted antennae, my cell signal hasn't improved, and I don't feel any weird compulsions to subscribe to Office 365.