Covid-19 vaccine thread

[Innula Zenovka]

I don't understand where you got that from, but I know informal logic can be confusing, so I'll try to explain this again...

I never mentioned sides, at all. Elected officials at the state and federal level are a class. I recognize no sides within this class of people. They are simply people who have been given power, and who have failed to use that power to protect your best interests. I think you should help send them back to the private sector for that.

Let me get this right. You want to remove not only the people in power but also the opposition?

Who's going to do the job in their place and how long is all this going to take to organise, and are you going to do all this now or when they've finished delivering the vaccination programme, whenever that is?

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

I think we just had an object lesson in what happens with a bunch of inexperienced rubes in charge of things.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[bubblesort]

Let me get this right. You want to remove not only the people in power but also the opposition?

Who's going to do the job in their place and how long is all this going to take to organise, and are you going to do all this now or when they've finished delivering the vaccination programme, whenever that is?

Majority vs minority is a meaningless concept in congress. Obama couldn't close gitmo because the republican minority blocked it. The republicans exercised all kinds of power when they had a clear minority. They blocked nominees and stopped progressive bills in their tracks every day. The democrats didn't even stop Trump's wall, or the record number of Trump judicial appointees, even though they had the exact same tools the Republicans had when they were in the minority. Even in the current congress, the democrats could pass a $15 minimum wage without the parliamentarian's approval, if they had the will to do so. AOC herself has said this. They could also force fillibusters to actually be filibusters, by making people who filibuster actually stand up and speak, rather than the current bullshit 'intent to fillibuster' crap they are doing.

So congress seems to do things by playing chicken. Whoever has the most political will, and is the most insane about it, gets their way.

What I propose is that we need better lunatics in congress. People who are terrified of their constituents, so they use their lunacy for our benefit, rather than the benefit of big money lobbyists. It's the only way to get anything done. Remove all of them, whether they are majority or minority, replace them with fresh faces, and see what happens. Whatever happens has to be better than what we have now.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Majority vs minority is a meaningless concept in congress. Obama couldn't close gitmo because the republican minority blocked it. The republicans exercised all kinds of power when they had a clear minority. They blocked nominees and stopped progressive bills in their tracks every day. The democrats didn't even stop Trump's wall, or the record number of Trump judicial appointees, even though they had the exact same tools the Republicans had when they were in the minority. Even in the current congress, the democrats could pass a $15 minimum wage without the parliamentarian's approval, if they had the will to do so. AOC herself has said this. They could also force fillibusters to actually be filibusters, by making people who filibuster actually stand up and speak, rather than the current bullshit 'intent to fillibuster' crap they are doing.

So congress seems to do things by playing chicken. Whoever has the most political will, and is the most insane about it, gets their way.

What I propose is that we need better lunatics in congress. People who are terrified of their constituents, so they use their lunacy for our benefit, rather than the benefit of big money lobbyists. It's the only way to get anything done. Remove all of them, whether they are majority or minority, replace them with fresh faces, and see what happens. Whatever happens has to be better than what we have now.

I thought that delivering the vaccination programme was the responsibility of state governors, not the US congress.

 

[bubblesort]

I thought that delivering the vaccination programme was the responsibility of state governors, not the US congress.

I don't think it matters much whether the state or federal government builds the program, so long as it works. I personally think it should be the federal government's responsibility, since the federal government is the part of government that decided to use our taxes to pay for this vaccine.

Whether it's state or federal, though, the point is that there is no program, and I don't think there will be a program, and our elected officials must pay for this. We must keep removing them until we get people into office who get the message that this is an unacceptable waste of the power we trusted them with.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Since mass vaccination programmes are going to be part of the new normal for the foreseeable future, as people need booster shots and as the disease mutates, I'd have thought that trying to rectify and learn from past mistakes in order to build a more efficient system going forward would be a better idea than scrapping it and starting over.

I'd be more interested in replacing the politicians who ran down the disaster preparedness programmes in the years leading up to the pandemic and, in the US, those who hampered the work of the CDC.

The vaccination programmes are the one thing the US and the UK have got anywhere near right about their response to the pandemic -- it was what they did and didn't do during 2020, before the vaccines were ready, that's the problem, to my mind.

 

[bubblesort]

Since mass vaccination programmes are going to be part of the new normal for the foreseeable future, as people need booster shots and as the disease mutates, I'd have thought that trying to rectify and learn from past mistakes in order to build a more efficient system going forward would be a better idea than scrapping it and starting over.

I'd be more interested in replacing the politicians who ran down the disaster preparedness programmes in the years leading up to the pandemic and, in the US, those who hampered the work of the CDC.

The vaccination programmes are the one thing the US and the UK have got anywhere near right about their response to the pandemic -- it was what they did and didn't do during 2020, before the vaccines were ready, that's the problem, to my mind.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a non-violent way to force a snap election in America, so no matter what, we're stuck with the current crop of imbeciles for a few years.

When I get a chance, though, I'm not going to miss my chance to vote against every single incumbent I can, and I hope others do the same. Between now and then, they all have ample opportunity to fix this by simply making a stupid web site, and then beg us for mercy at the polls, for letting hundreds of thousands of Americans die needlessly. If they don't, then they belong in the private sector, with the rest of the sociopaths.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Received my first Pfizer jab this morning and scheduled an appointment for the 2nd round later this month. West Virginia really has their shit together; the process was smooth as butter and we were both in and out in just over an hour. It would have been less, but I was nervous and arrived early.

National Guard were out in the parking lot directing traffic and parking. We stayed in the car until a guy with a bullhorn called our numbers and a very nice, very young, soldier brought a wheelchair to save Mrs. Beebo from walking across the lot. Registration and shots were quick and then we waited for 15 mins to make sure we didn't have a bad reaction.

Short drive home to find the downstairs strewn with litter. Sallie threw a fit while we were gone, pawed open some kitchen cabinets and raided the snack stores. She ate an entire bag of blueberry fig Newton's and assorted snack packs and cookies. Sigh.

 

[Stora]

Just a small update on my jab. The injection itself was painless and I felt ok afterwards.

The day after I felt like shit, aching all over and very tired (this is my body's normal reaction if I get a bad cold). At least I know it's working and it has triggered my body to start producing antibodies.

I'm back to feeling normal again now but my advice is have the jab as soon as you get the opportunity to do so but don't plan on doing anything the day after just in case.

 

[Free]

Just a small update on my jab. The injection itself was painless and I felt ok afterwards.

The day after I felt like shit, aching all over and very tired (this is my body's normal reaction if I get a bad cold). At least I know it's working and it has triggered my body to start producing antibodies.

I'm back to feeling normal again now but my advice is have the jab as soon as you get the opportunity to do so but don't plan on doing anything the day after just in case.

Sounds like for those with clear weekends, it's a good idea to grab a Friday date for it.

 

[Archer]

I've started getting emails from our health department that tell me to be on the lookout for an email on how to schedule my shot. I'm moving next Tuesday, so I'll schedule it for well after that, so as to not interfere. I'm excited that it's not going to be much longer!

 

[Rose Karuna]

For people in Florida, under 65, who have vulnerabilities and immune disorders, you can get a vaccine now if your doctor fills out and signs a specific form.

Florida reveals vaccine form for ‘extremely vulnerable’ an hour before requirement kicks in

Just an hour before Florida’s latest expansion of vaccine eligibility was set to take effect, the state Department of Health revealed late Tuesday the form that doctors will use to certify th…

www.orlandosentinel.com

I got my second jab on Tuesday and it was a bit worse than my first jab. The shot site has a small rash and lump and basically, I woke up the next day feeling sore all over. Today, I'm just fine.

 

[Casey Pelous]

Got my appointment for a week from Monday after a tip from a friend.

"Pssst .... you didn't hear it from me, but if you need some good weed a lifesaving vaccine, I know a guy URL........"

 

[Khamon]

New cases in Alabama have dropped from hovering around four-thousand to hovering around one-thousand over the past couple of weeks. The Dallas County drive-through-with-no-appointment clinics have jabbed over a thousand people a week where the appointment-based clinics have only managed a few dozen a week. The only downside is that there's no appointment for the second shot, and we're just entering the time that people should be returning for those, so we'll see how those numbers accumulate.

Edit: to clarify location

 

[Sredni Eel]

Day three of 1st Moderna vaccine:

Arm no longer feels like it's being chewed off by Dr. Ian Malcolm's future ex wife.

I can now lift my arm over my head, and it just feels like a normal middle age muscle pain. I still have other muscle pains, but that's probably from stress and anxiety, and far too many hours sitting here on zoom telling kids to turn on their cameras so I can see they're actually in class.

It would also appear that I'm getting a better cell signal when I move my phone closer to my molars. Probably nothing.

 

[Beebo Brink]

The day after I felt like shit, aching all over and very tired (this is my body's normal reaction if I get a bad cold). At least I know it's working and it has triggered my body to start producing antibodies.

I have every Friday off, so a Thursday vaccination was perfect timing. Thank you, Health Department!

So it's now the 2nd day and I'm still feeling fine. But since I'm a worrier, now I'm worried that my body is not mounting a strong immune defense. Gotta have SOMETHING to fret about, right?

 

[Khamon]

Take heart Beebo Brink . Statistics indicate you probably are. There's a wide variation of reactions on record and a strong trend of people fighting off infections with greater ease and no hospitalization.

My second shot is scheduled next Tuesday, then I have to teach until 2130 that evening, then drive thirty-five minutes down dark and winding county roads to get home. Hugs are appreciated. Hoping no cows have hopped the fence.

 

[Sid]

I have every Friday off, so a Thursday vaccination was perfect timing. Thank you, Health Department!

So it's now the 2nd day and I'm still feeling fine. But since I'm a worrier, now I'm worried that my body is not mounting a strong immune defense. Gotta have SOMETHING to fret about, right?

Well, I had practical nada response from my jab either.
To me that says nothing.
Nine out of ten yearly flu shots, don't give a side effect reaction from my body either.
So we are the lucky ones I guess.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Frustration Is Spreading Faster Than the Vaccine Is

America’s distribution plan is no more fair or logical than a Soviet-style queue for cabbage.

www.theatlantic.com

Evernote link because paywall

If you are the child of elderly parents in parts of the United States right now, and if you are trying to get them a COVID-19 vaccine, you are living in a shortage economy, a world of queues and rumors, a shadowy land of favoritism and incompetence—a world not unlike the world of the very late, very stifling, Brezhnev-era Soviet Union.