Coup in the USA?

[Fionalein]

You know what made my day?

Spoiler: Lizzy got lucky

This idiot might as well have gotten herself shot, kudos for law enforcement reacting with reasonable force.

 

[Fionalein]

The plot thickens...looks like it was less spontaneous than we were led to believe.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The plot thickens...looks like it was less spontaneous than we were led to believe.

The article seems to me to be saying that the military chiefs were -- completely understandably, to my mind -- very unwilling to have troops inside the Capitol and wanted federal law enforcement to clear the building if that was at all possible.

I can fully understand their unwillingness to get involved unless there was absolutely no alternative. All that talk of coups and martial law must have them as nervous as everyone else.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Fionalein]

Of course they are confused - how else would they have voted for the Trumpster?

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

I read today a comment about these events in a national magazine.

The author is of the opinion that there was more about that attempted coup than we do yet realize, or have seen.

He believes it because of the fact, that all 10 still living ex secretaries of war published a short while ago letter in which they demanded, that the military should not engage into anti constitutional actions. He therefore thinks that the ex secretaries were quite probably aware of some stuff going in the pentagon which should have supported that coup, but that in the end the military did not help because Trump has been the most prominent domestic abuser of it all the time, so they hated him.

 

[Khamon]

Offstage - OMG, I have to read this, OK

Onstage - Blah, blah, blah.

Zoom, Zoom - Out of there

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Oh, the poor babies - well, fuck their feelings.

[My mom can go hang, I don't want to be the better person - then again, she was never in a long term abusive relationship either, so maybe that's why she can say that.]

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Also, BoTFC says that while it wasn't the thing to, he does think it was a breech and the officers fell back to a different location - whether he still thinks as more stuff comes out, will be worth watching, but since he has worked with this stuff before, I'll give his words some weight.

 

[Free]

It's all fun and games until you're arrested and charged with damage to (federal!) property, crossing state lines to commit crimes, rebellion and insurrection.

 

[Free]

Also,

Graham says Trump should not be removed unless 'something else happens' - DUK News

By Nikki Schwab, Senior U.S. Political Reporter For Dailymail.com

dailyuknews.com

Does Trump still have the launch codes? That would certainly be "something else."

We are governed by children. In all ways.

 

[Fionalein]

We are governed by children. In all ways.

Yeah, many Lord of the Flies moments there.

 

[Free]

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Ah, there's the answer to what happened to the National Guard. Trump replaced the Secretary of Defense for this purpose

That's funny. There were millions upon millions of disappointed people in 2016. We held peaceful protests. I don't recall storming the Capitol. We had far more proof of Trump colluding with Russia than he will ever have about voter fraud. The man did ask for Russia's assistance on national television. Fuck Fox and their making of excuses for sedition and insurrection.

 

[Free]

Ouch.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

This, on the abortive Francoist coup in Spain in 1981 that attempted (and failed) to restore Spain to authoritarianism is interesting.


His point is that general public disgust for the failed coup and its plotters rallied support for social democracy in Spain, and led to very substantial changes in Spanish society.

 

[Free]

The American Carnage He Promised

The inevitable conclusion to Trump’s presidency.

slate.com

In August of 2017, hundreds of armed white supremacists descended on Charlottesville, Virginia, calling themselves “protesters.” They were ostensibly there to showcase their deep solidarity with confederate statuary, but in fact they were experimenting with a new kind of political normal. For more than 24 hours, they marched, sometimes by torchlight chanting Nazi slogans, and attacked unarmed locals. Eventually, one of them killed Heather Heyer, and injured 19 others who, like Heyer, were there to counterprotest.

[...]

On Wednesday afternoon, violent “protesters” descended on the U.S. Capitol to disrupt the vote count that would ratify the 2020 election. Republicans planned to challenge these results because, despite an absence of evidence of fraud, they had committed themselves to the principle that Democrats could not have won absent fraud. So the protesters showed up. Capitol Police had ample access to this mob’s plans online. There had been plenty of careful media reporting on the weekslong plot to bring violent protesters to D.C. Indeed the president had been fomenting it. But again, it appears that nobody did a thing to prepare. Once again, the police seemed wholly unready for the prospect of a violent attack by violent white supremacists, despite the fact that the white supremacists hardly kept their plans secret. Initially it looked as though Capitol Police’s primary response was to put a temporary barricade around the Capitol building, even though we know how that all went in Charlottesville.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

My regard for fact-checking compels me to say there's no actual evidence in the linked news story to suggest quite what precipitated the unfortunate Mr Greeson's fatal heart attack, or what exactly he was doing at the time, but

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Black woman beaten and maced by Trump supporters in LA on Wednesday


Evernote link because paywall

'It's Disgraceful': Black Woman Attacked During Pro-Trump Demonstration In DTLA

The Los Angeles Police Department Thursday was looking into several physical altercations that erupted in downtown Los Angeles during a pro-Trump rally held Wednesday.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

 

[Rose Karuna]

For the boys in blue who support this MAGA shit; they beat one of your own to death with a fire extinguisher.

Federal murder probe opened for Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick who died following riots

Officer Brian Sicknick was the fifth person to die as a result of the siege.

abcnews.go.com

Yeah, your "law and order" party. With your "law and order" president egging them on.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

I think the cabinet might be in the middle of a power struggle to remove Trump with the 25th amendment. I think DeVos might be a true believer in Trump, who was disillusioned by the coup, and wants nothing to do with any of this any more. I think Chao knows the coup attempt was wrong, but wants Trump to serve out his term, and then be forced to quietly fade away after inauguration day, in order to try to stop the Republican party from splintering into a million factions and destroying her husband's power. Chao might have been forced out by somebody who wants to invoke the 25th, maybe? IDK, I'm obviously in the realm of wild conjecture here...

The rumor mill I catch has been saying that Chao was actually on-board with a 25th call, and only resigned after it became clear that there wasn't enough Cabinet support for it.

If true, then we can take Chao's departure as an indication that the conversation about invoking the 25th was already over by that time, even though the news continued to repeat that it was being discussed.