2020 U.S. Presidential elections

[Katheryne Helendale]

Way to not answer the question.

Who do you want to win: Biden or Trump?

 

[NyteWytch]

Way to not answer the question.

Who do you want to win: Biden or Trump?

Neither. He's just here to be a nuisance like several others.

 

[Shiloh Lyric]

 

[Pamela]

Neither. He's just here to be a nuisance like several others.

The house is on fire and some people want to quibble about which fork is correct to use for escargot.

 

[Cristalle]

My two cents about Joe: I mentioned several months ago in this forum that he is a good man and was ridiculed. But being a good man to me has to do with motivation. Joe is easy to criticize, for his contributions to bad legislation, his gaffes, his goofiness. He is no Obama — but who is? (And Obama isn’t perfect. He wasn’t born woke. He evolved.)

What matters most to me — and I think to most voters — is not perfect unerring judgment but motivation: Joe makes bad decisions sometimes, as do we all, but not out of greed or malice. His motivations are overwhelmingly good. And what this country needs above all is a good man, a man with a good heart, humble enough to lead a team of rivals. It is To Americans’ credit we have had the good sense to recognize that Joe Biden is that man.

I know that you mean well and have a soft heart.

But I do not understand how you do not connect that his voting choices - many of them horrible with terrible consequences - are more reflective of his motivations than his rhetoric. Words are wind, it's actions that matter. His motivations are not "overwhelmingly good" when measured by policy. I don't give a rat's behind about his gaffes, real gaffes and not simply saying the quiet parts out loud and getting caught.

When he refuses to extend Medicare for All to everyone during a pandemic, where is the wisdom in that? What "overwhelmingly good" motivation is that? COBRA is useless if you don't have a job. Asking people without a job to buy health insurance just to stay insured? Where is the good motivation in that?

When he supports a coup of a foreign country, where is the motivation in that? If he can't respect democracy abroad, why should we expect him to to not use some of those terrible powers that have been creeping up at home? Trump didn't get these terrible powers by himself. It was enabled by Democrats, too.

I see him moving on some issues, and I'll give credit where credit is due. The climate plan, though not perfect, reflects something useful. HOWEVER, I question his commitment to his plans. When you consider the hundreds of millions of dollars flowing his way now, who do you think he's going to listen to? US? That's not a good motivation. He's going to listen to the people sending him money, like he has his entire career. I just see band-aids over bullet holes when it comes to the economy, and that is the worst thing he can do because that will bring about a worse version of Trump.

 

[Pamela]

My Bernie bro nephew who I haven’t talked to you in a while just texted me this:

“I think I’ve decided to vote for Joe Biden. I hate him, I hope he dies, he’s a fucking monster and an idiot and the weakest opponent trump could face, but trumps brutality in the wake of George Floyd’s murder - the secret police abducting protesters - I think this is too much. “

I am glad he came around. I really don’t get this animosity towards Joe Biden of all people.

 

[Beebo Brink]

I hate him, I hope he dies, he’s a fucking monster and an idiot...

There's some weird ass propaganda out there. Joe Biden has been out of office for less than one term and in that time this "monster" persona has been constructed by Russia and the GOP. People are choosing to believe that fantasy over their own experience of his activities in the Obama administration. It's surreal.

 

[Isabeau]

Susan Rice, Perhaps An Unlikely Contender, Lands On Biden's VP Shortlist

The former U.N. ambassador and national security adviser is said to be getting serious consideration from the Biden campaign, even though she has never run for elective office.

www.npr.org

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Since it doesn't posit any way to thwart those scenarios, it's bloody useless except to frighten.
I don't need to read a book to scare me more. Got enough of that as is.

This suggests that, while it may get messy, there's probably a way through it all, particularly if the Democrats take control of the Senate as well as the House of Representatives

All Your Most Paranoid Transfer of Power Questions, Answered

What happens if Donald Trump refuses to accept the results of the election?

gen.medium.com

 

[Innula Zenovka]

When he refuses to extend Medicare for All to everyone during a pandemic, where is the wisdom in that?

Who, at least in the short term, do you say will be disadvantaged by Biden's implementing his plans as outlined on his website at

Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website -

joebiden.com

instead of implementing your preferred policy of Medicare for all?

I'm sure there will be some, but since I'm not at all familiar with the US system, please explain to me which specific group(s) are neglected under his scheme.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

And as an outsider looking in, it seems to me if Obama steps up to speak about anything from the federal agents to Covid, it is going to backfire, no? There appears to be an irrational hatred of Obama in some circles, why invigorate them or give them more motivation?

In fact, Obama has a fuckton of credibility among a lot of Americans. Regardless of their race. It's the marginal dimwits waving Confederate flags who are getting all the press. But they do not represent any sort of majority in this country. They're fringe assholes.

Trump has tried to villainize Obama but it doesn't work. As always, if a word comes from Trump's mouth, it's a lie. If he tells you the sky is blue, go outside to check for yourself.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

So, the idea that Biden is a weak candidate cropped up among some friends, and I pointed out to my friend [who like me is uber prog] that there has NEVER been another party candidate that has pulled endorsements from the OTHER party.

But then, he also bought into the whole Warren isn't progressive narrative of the Bernie bots, so....

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I'd also like to point out that Bernie Sanders has said that Biden will end up being the most progressive President we've had since FDR.... so if someone supports Bernie so bloody much, maybe they should listen to him when he says stuff.

Then again, most Christians don't listen to the words of their leader either....

 

[Pamela]

I'd also like to point out that Bernie Sanders has said that Biden will end up being the most progressive President we've had since FDR.... so if someone supports Bernie so bloody much, maybe they should listen to him when he says stuff.

Then again, most Christians don't listen to the words of their leader either....

I mentioned this to the nephew and he said he doesn’t care about Bernie now, he ran a weak race and didn’t attack Biden enough. I never have any idea what goes through people’s heads.

 

[Pamela]

Susan Rice, Perhaps An Unlikely Contender, Lands On Biden's VP Shortlist

The former U.N. ambassador and national security adviser is said to be getting serious consideration from the Biden campaign, even though she has never run for elective office.

www.npr.org

I would be happy with her, but I would be happy with any of the Black women, there are some stellar ones. Very tough cookies, too, they stand up to Trump. I have no doubt Liz will be an important Player but I really want a Black VP.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I would be happy with her, but I would be happy with any of the Black women, there are some stellar ones. Very tough cookies, too, they stand up to Trump. I have no doubt Liz will be an important Player but I really want a Black VP.

I'm going to say this - We've had a black president - but we've yet to have a female VP or a President - and women are a bigger demographic, being roughly half of the population. That said, I'd prefer a good female running mate, with the best skill set for cleaning up this mess, and to see a lot of qualified women put into other positions.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Made-for-TV fascism: how Trump’s ‘crime explosion’ ploy could backfire

Trump is facing a big election with an even bigger need for a political masterstroke – enter a surge of federal agents to fight supposed violence

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pamela]

I'm going to say this - We've had a black president - but we've yet to have a female VP or a President - and women are a bigger demographic, being roughly half of the population. That said, I'd prefer a good female running mate, with the best skill set for cleaning up this mess, and to see a lot of qualified women put into other positions.

IMO we need the ticket to be more representative of the coalition than an elderly white woman and an elderly white man.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

IMO we need the ticket to be more representative of the coalition than an elderly white woman and an elderly white man.

I didn't mention race at all - I said a woman. I mean, let's face it, black can be male or female, but the default is still 'man'. And by that logic, we could go with a Arabic VP or an Asian one.... there are more than two ethnicities defined by skintone in the 'coalition'. And I'm sorry, but its way past time to have qualified women given a shot, regardless of their 'skintone', because we are the largest 'minority' in the coalition, even when we're white.

 

[Pamela]

I didn't mention race at all - I said a woman. I mean, let's face it, black can be male or female, but the default is still 'man'. And by that logic, we could go with a Arabic VP or an Asian one.... there are more than two ethnicities defined by skintone in the 'coalition'. And I'm sorry, but its way past time to have qualified women given a shot, regardless of their 'skintone', because we are the largest 'minority' in the coalition, even when we're white.

He has already said he will pick a woman. I am fine with any POC really but Black women as a group are the most loyal constituency, and they are due this symbol of respect for that, so a Black woman is my first choice.