#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

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Kara Spengler

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So do Jews.
Maybe not as much currently as in the past, but it could change at any time. Especially with the hate groups feeling they’re in their glory again.
So get over myself? Like they did in 1930s Germany? I don’t think so. I’m damn lucky my grandparents emigrated here before that, but they were fleeing some pretty hairy stuff themselves. Maybe my grandmother who survived Cossack raids should’ve ggotten over herself?
Yeah, later for this.
The magats, nazis, and neo confederates can go pound sand. My grandfather's family emigrated here around when they became free of Russia (no, the two countries do not get along). In ww2 my great grandfather saved multiple lives. The above groups would not have wanted them here, at the time there was a debate if Finns were technically caucasians.

I would have been fine with that alternate reality. I doubt the families of the people he saved would have been though. Which is why I consider them and their leader traitors.
 
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He's literally a fucking toddler grabbing at random stuff and destroying them, just because!
 

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The rats are taking issue with the head cheese in droves now.

Look, I did my mail-in primary ballot a few days ago here in Georgia. You have to sign and date the inner envelope, and they verify your signature against the one on your voter registration. That envelope goes in the outer, mailing envelope, so you can't tell whose ballot it is. The ballots themselves don't have any personal information - its a machine-readable form, so that's how they count votes. You can check on the elections website if your vote has been counted. It would be pretty difficult to commit fraud with this system.
 

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I have voted by mail since 2016. Of course I'm in California, and according to Trump, I'm one of 5 million fraudulent votes. So there we are.
 
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I freely accept that I do not pass muster by the standards of most Trump supporters. Again, what intrigues me is that neither should Trump. As the writer Windsor Mann has noted, Trump behaves in ways that many working-class men would ridicule: “He wears bronzer, loves gold and gossip, is obsessed with his physical appearance, whines constantly, can't control his emotions, watches daytime television, enjoys parades and interior decorating, and used to sell perfume.”
 

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It not being held to the masculinity standards they hold up are probably related to evangelicals not caring it does not meet their standards either. All they care is owning us libs and do not care if they hurt themselves in the process and we do not get slightly miffed.
 
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It would be pretty difficult to commit fraud with this system.
The most common potential fraud that doesn't require coercion or a bunch of people keeping secrets successfully is to collect the ballots for mentally impaired or otherwise unaware family members and vote in their place. It's easier than in-person fraud but not exactly scalable.

I'm not a huge fan of mail-in voting for this reason, but in the current circumstances it's the lesser of two evils.
 

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The most common potential fraud that doesn't require coercion or a bunch of people keeping secrets successfully is to collect the ballots for mentally impaired or otherwise unaware family members and vote in their place. It's easier than in-person fraud but not exactly scalable.

I'm not a huge fan of mail-in voting for this reason, but in the current circumstances it's the lesser of two evils.
Well, if they can get a proxy it can be pulled off but you can do that in person too rather than being endemic to vote by mail.
 

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Well, if they can get a proxy it can be pulled off but you can do that in person too rather than being endemic to vote by mail.
Apparently not all states require an in-person application. For example, California's new law doesn't seem to require one. What stops a relative from simply using the documents mailed to them by the State of California?
 

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The most common potential fraud that doesn't require coercion or a bunch of people keeping secrets successfully is to collect the ballots for mentally impaired or otherwise unaware family members and vote in their place. It's easier than in-person fraud but not exactly scalable.

I'm not a huge fan of mail-in voting for this reason, but in the current circumstances it's the lesser of two evils.
How many authenticated cases of such fraud have there been in the US in recent years? Is it a big problem?
 

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How many authenticated cases of such fraud have there been in the US in recent years? Is it a big problem?
Didn't say it's a big problem, just saying I'm not a fan. That's like the most pissweak objection you can possibly have to something. It's not like I'm talking about electronic voting or something daft like that.

Also, I did mention it's not scalable, like, you know, throwing people off voter rolls is. And I don't think there's any mechanism to select one party or another preferentially in such fraud. It's just... it does add an attack surface that has to be separately defended against.
 
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