Why Are People Behaving So Badly?

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This is an interesting read:


It definitely feels like civilized society is being torn apart at the seams. I am not sure where it will all lead, but it doesn't seem it is headed in a good direction.
 

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This part made me think of something we spoke of on SLU a while back. I think it was Beebo who mentioned how difficult it was to know the difference between asshole and mental illness (or simply an asshole who happens to also have mental issues).

« ….“I think those are assholes,” said Tom Insel, the former director of the National Institute of Mental Health and the author of Healing. “It’s so important to distinguish people who have a mental illness from people who just do egregious things.” »


Also, in the beginning of the pandemic, there were many here (most?) who were in solidarity with their neighbours. We felt as if we were going to get through this together, etc. (Ça va bien aller! 🌈 ) but now, everyone is on edge and tired of it all, especially when we found out about those who couldn’t care less about others (convoy, anti maskers/science).

I know I have had my limits tested these past two years…

«… “and you see both things: people who do heroic things, and people who do some very defensive, protective, and oftentimes ridiculous things.” »

Walking Dead comes to mind.
 

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I reopened my Twitter account last week so I could read the provided tweets here on VVO easily.
I wish I never had done that.
What a lot of hate on Twitter, far worse than I remembered from a few years back. I logged out again. And I'm not planning to go back to that pool of hate, flaming and misinformation anytime soon.
 

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I think like all social sites, you have to limit those you follow. Of course, you may still get some overflow (I block everything I dislike, from hateful or stupid, to just simply annoying + the word Trump). I don’t care, it’s my timeline) so I’m basically left with funny, sweet, interesting stuff with a sprinkling of everything plant related.

It’s more my go-to when on break or bored during adverts, etc.
 

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The pandemic loosened ties between people: Kids stopped going to school; their parents stopped going to work; parishioners stopped going to church; people stopped gathering, in general. Sociologists think all of this isolation shifted the way we behave. “We’re more likely to break rules when our bonds to society are weakened,” Robert Sampson, a Harvard sociologist who studies social disorder, told me. “When we become untethered, we tend to prioritize our own private interests over those of others or the public.”
Wondering what he would say about those of us who were never "tethered" and yet still keep trying to become tethered.

Thanks Cris. Today is a good day for this article for me.

Don't pay me any mind today if I say something really weird or take something the wrong way. I barely managed to avoid a full-blown panic attack this morning at the worst possible time and the day isn't over yet. Trying to keep the mind occupied and the body from racing.

ETA:
Though one study found that face masks don’t dehumanize the wearer, another small experiment found that they do impair people’s ability to detect emotions.
Can't disagree with that!
 

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I sure wouldn't rule out actual personality changes due to COVID either, a lot of people have been reporting that but I often wonder if it has happened to other people who had no idea they even had COVID?


Starting in the spring of 2020, neuropsychiatrist Adam Kaplin, MD, PhD, began working as part of the Johns Hopkins Post-Acute COVID-19 Team, a multidisciplinary group of practitioners brought together to treat the impact of Covid-19 on the body and brain. “A number of people came out of the experience [of severe illness] with PTSD,” Kaplin tells Rolling Stone. “And when they went home, they were irritable and not their normal selves, and didn’t understand why they didn’t just bounce back to being the way they were before.”

Prior to Covid-19, Kaplin primarily treated patients with multiple sclerosis and other autoimmune diseases who experienced depression, cognitive impairment, and other psychiatric consequences as a result of the activation of their immune system. In addition to telling him that their loved one is “no longer acting like themself,” patients’ spouses would often tell Kaplin that “this is not the person they married.” In these cases it’s not necessarily the illness directly causing this shift in temperament. “It’s not the virus that’s the problem — it’s the immune response to the virus that causes the trouble,” Kaplin says. “But my strong message would be that it’s not a personal weakness, you’re not crazy, and there really is a biology to this, in both directions.”
Not that I think that any of this accounts for Trump followers or for Qanon. Trump was where a large percentage of the country has been leading for a long time.

All I can say about Antitvaxers and Qanon is maybe mass hysteria? I really have never in my lifetime seen anything like it. Well, except maybe a room full of people on an LSD trip in the 60's but at least that was temporary. :dizzy:
 

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Parents in the 1980s were right! All that MTV and video games rotted all their kids brains, and now they've grown up, and are being all crazy and brain rotted!

 

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People are assholes until proven otherwise -that's been my default, go-to mindset for years now.
 

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Mass hysteria moved more slowly back then.

Mass media in the hands of the public creates sudden awareness of things that were already there.
I've wondered about that too. Whether there is more bad behavior or whether it's reported on more frequently. Certainly with so many people having a phone with a camera assures that few bad deeds will go unpunished by the internetz outrage.

What bothers me most though is that I've seen really bad (or volcanic) behavior in people who were once close friends (or family) with previously very gentle natures during the 20 or 30 years that I've known them.

For example, once things started opening up again, I went to lunch with a friend that I've know and worked with for 20 years. She had a complete meltdown in the restaurant (and I mean a meltdown) because the food took too long and hers was cold when she got it. Now, the service wasn't stellar but that was no reason to throw the plate of food on the floor and scream at the wait staff. I literally prayed for a sinkhole to swallow me up that day. I paid for the food, tipped the waitress extra and got her the hell out of there. In all the years I've known her, I've never heard her raise her voice before that moment in the restaurant. Perhaps it's anecdotal, but she's not the only friend I've seen this kind of anger in.
 

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So, this interesting video popped up when I was looking for more amigurumi videos and I watched it - outside of how much the woman reminds me of my great grandmother [who died in '85], lookwise anyways, it is a great example of how people have always behaved like shits - its just it wasn't one of those things that you noticed, if it didn't affect you....

 
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I hate to make it political, but you have half the people around you actively denying reality as their entire identity, which makes the saner half extremely frustrated and stressed, meanwhile the reality denial is increasingly getting cracked and shredded, which just makes the reality deniers stressed because they increasingly see how fucking stupid they have been acting but it's human nature to not accept that.
 

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I've wondered about that too. Whether there is more bad behavior or whether it's reported on more frequently. Certainly with so many people having a phone with a camera assures that few bad deeds will go unpunished by the internetz outrage.
As an aside, with video cameras basically ubiquitous now, we haven't seen more bigfoot or UFOs, but we have seen way more police brutality.

What bothers me most though is that I've seen really bad (or volcanic) behavior in people who were once close friends (or family) with previously very gentle natures during the 20 or 30 years that I've known them.
Thinking back on things, my dad always had a fit in take out places if his complex large order took more time than the order for the guy who got a chicken sandwich and a drink. "WE WERE HERE BEFORE THAT GUY." And mom has always been casually racist and self-centered. Also, just anecdotes. Let us commiserate together.

 

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There have always been moments during more difficult/less secure (financial or political) times when people seem to become less tolerant, angrier, and yes, even if the roots were already there, they then blossom and become worse. Insecurity brings out the worst in people (sometimes the best, too). It comes in waves, and in different places at different times.

I think what is different now is how global a lot of it is. The pandemic, the effects of climate change, and of course, social media. When have we ever had the possibility of “reading everyone’s mind” at all times? Certainly not a superpower I would ever want. If you only have nice thoughts about strangers you are a better person than I am, but we usually keep these thoughts to ourselves or very close contacts.

It isn’t because people were better/nicer before, but we now can’t even pretend they don’t exist. They follow us everywhere in our pocket at all times. The news also has changed. We can find out about every disaster happening worldwide in detail at the touch of screen. Doesn’t help knowing that some news aren’t to be trusted (fox and other less obvious) so you have to check different sources.

This is what’s different now. It’s a wonder people aren’t ‘more’ crazy.
 

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I was thinking about this a while back, my mind wanders when I am cleaning the house, and while is probably tl;dr...
I think that the social isolation part makes this easier ….

An Increase in the Perception of Scarcity Leads to a Need to Increase the Perception of Others as Different.

It’s does not require a basis in rational thought. You just need someone to ‘Feels’ that they are getting less. Of course it is exacerbated by actually getting less eg. rising wealth gap, shortages of goods, etc.

Hominidae, Humans and the Great Apes are Social Animals. So part of the survival strategy that we are basically ‘wired with’ is sharing resources among the group members. Corollary to that is the ‘ability to share’ confers increased status on a group members. Status within the social group is important, because it spins back on itself as part of the individual level of survival strategy. It makes it easier to acquire more stuff in the intra-group redistribution.

Now sharing might not actually be the best word to use, it implies that it is a rather egalitarian situation. Instead look at is as ‘ability to trade’. So now things like ability to trade for stuff (buy) that is actually needed to live, or just things that are perceived to confer Social Status, both are important to survival strategy.


But! The crap people do! It makes no sense!!!

It doesn’t have to make any damn sense at all. For most if it, it is rooted in ‘feels’, specifically ‘fear feels’. They have food, shelter, heat, and no one is actively trying to kill them, but … some switch has been triggered in their mind, that they are getting less. The trigger point is different is all.

Is just that once the ‘Feels of Security and Status’ are threatened, is time to Redefine Criteria for Resource Allocation.

So… To Redefine the Criteria for Resource Allocation, move more people into the ‘They are Different and Strange and Not Like Us (Me) Category’.

Is pretty easy to do to. Example: <insert here: invisible magical sky or ground person> says that <insert here: assorted ethnic / sexual orientation / gender identity / sports team fan base group > are EVIL and should < Insert here: Bad things >.


Now per the article in The Atlantic, their summary is that the Pandemic has lead to Social Isolation that has made people turn on each other.

Yup! Because… If you are not around others, it is just easier to put them in the Category of DaSaNLU(M). Hmmm? Yup! That acronym is just Stupid, lets go with just saying the Different Group. Can even call it the Out-Group. Of course it helps that individuals are under more stress, too. Makes it easier to slide in to modes that are based on ‘Fear Feels’ and put even more in the Out-Group.

I just think that the causative agent is generalized fear of Scarcity and Loss. Loss of things needed or perceived to be needed to survive, make it much much easier to define a someone as an other.

And manipulating that Fear, makes it so much easier to grab and maintain power. After all... They are just gonna fix it. Right? Um... Right? They are gonna fix it all and make it better? Right?
 

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Sometimes people say things like "sharing" and "ability to share" or "wherewithal to share" when they really mean "distribution" or "equitable distribution". When you shift the angle of light, it changes your perspective.

Someone once said, "Words mean things."

I sometimes add to that. Words mean things when used correctly. That's where it gets sticky. There are so many different words that mean the same or almost the same thing and then there are the loooooong words used to describe those words.

Another one I add to it is, "Words mean things. Say what you mean and mean what you say."

We all fail at it. Some more often than others.

Does it need a name?
 

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To put things in perspective, look up Schöneck-Kilianstädten. In times of change, humans get violent. It's just what we do. We are capable of altruism and cooperation, but those are just a few of the social tools that we draw upon as the need arises. Many others are blunt instruments used to bludgeon people, sometimes quite literally.

 

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Because 45 showed all that

a) such behaviour will make you insanely popular within certain groups of society and people will love and admire you for it
b) it's a good enabler to become US president
c) you can do whatever you want, it will have no long lasting consequences for you.

Basically he got away with it and he suffered no bad consequences. So many try to copy that.
 
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